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Old 18-08-2015, 07:44 PM
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Exactly. Sanchez will make a lot of players look very ordinary this season.
Sadly that wasn't the case, it was 2 mistakes by Ward that led to the goals. The first was bad control , which could have happened to anyone, but I've no idea what he was thinking for the second, all he had to do was clear it.
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Sadly that wasn't the case, it was 2 mistakes by Ward that led to the goals. The first was bad control , which could have happened to anyone, but I've no idea what he was thinking for the second, all he had to do was clear it.
Agreed on both accounts. To me, the 2nd goal was a sign of a player that is struggling with confidence. It's not a skill or lack of physical ability problem. He's terrified of making a mistake. Someone needs to grab him by the ear and give him a good slap upside the skull. He just needs to come out this week, get physical, get a touch on anything near him. It's the only way out of that slump where you think you can't do anything right. Just go hard and let your ability do its thing... and he'll be fine if he does.

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Old 18-08-2015, 10:05 PM
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record, why the **** didn't we go for Trippier instead of letting him sit on Spurs' bench?

If nothing else it would've provided a much better option than Mariappa does when Ward is as shockingly out of form as he appears to be.
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Old 18-08-2015, 10:17 PM
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Sadly that wasn't the case, it was 2 mistakes by Ward that led to the goals. The first was bad control , which could have happened to anyone, but I've no idea what he was thinking for the second, all he had to do was clear it.
Pretty much agree although in fairness the first came in a period when the ball seemed to be some strange alien object to virtually the whole team. As for the second it's not as if he didn't know Sanchez was there - he looked across at him as the cross was about to be delivered. I can only assume he didn't expect Sanchez to jump (a tad naive) and so was expecting to simply stand his ground and head it out for a corner. At least that's what the replay suggests. But it's hard not to feel for him. He's clearly in a bad run of form which unfortunately doesn't seem to have been checked by scoring a pretty decent goal. Whether he can keep his place at the moment is somewhat questionable.
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Old 19-08-2015, 10:00 AM
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Ward defensively was simply not good enough for this level and if he does that one more time he should be dropped/permanently replaced.

As an attacker though we should sign him up on a five year contract.
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Old 19-08-2015, 12:11 PM
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It was quite clear to me that Arsenal targeted Ward. He was often left with 2 on 1 situations. AP must take some of the blame for that for (1) playing Bolasie who was clearly not fit to attack let alone tackle back to help Ward & (2) for not changing it by switching Zaha to the right to support Ward after the first 15 minutes when we were lucky not to be 2 or 3 down.

I feel really sorry for Ward who looked totally dejected to me after the 2nd goal which he must bear some responsibility for. He needs massive support to regain his confidence - over to you Mr Pardew.
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Ward defensively was simply not good enough for this level and if he does that one more time he should be dropped/permanently replaced.

As an attacker though we should sign him up on a five year contract.
Dropped/permanently replaced?
Can't beat reasoned thought.
1st goal, how is it 'poor' defending when the ball bounces quickly from short distance & hits you squarely on the kneecap? Nobody questioning the marking of Giroud.
2nd goal, it was what it was, shud have attacked the ball.
Also made a couple of crucial goal saving challenges in the box, tho I notice no mention of those.

He wasn't poor last season as suggested by some to try & add weight to there argument to drop him.
If that was the case, he wouldn't be starting every game, or are you suggesting Pardew doesn't know what he's doing?
Lastly, we got beat by a top 4 side & a referee who's balls are nonexistent.
Oh, great strike for the goal.
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Old 19-08-2015, 12:25 PM
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Ward had a very solid game at Norwich. Every player has an off day from time to time
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Old 19-08-2015, 07:17 PM
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Ivanovic has been one of, if not the best RB in the league and he had a terrible few games - doesn't mean he's all of a sudden rubbish.

Joel will be back to his best vs. Villa.
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Old 19-08-2015, 07:44 PM
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I think many posters are misinterpreting the point others and myself are trying to convey.

If his performance against Arsenal had occurred at the end of the season under Pulis, this thread wouldn't even exist. It is not about one bad game. It is about a very prolonged stretch of mediocrity that now causes the RB position to be seen as a potential liability if we are going to achieve our lofty goals of finishing top 8.

Of course his performance against Arsenal wasn't good enough, but the real problem is his performances the last year haven't quite been good enough either. He started poorly last season at LB and most assumed it was the position that was causing his lack of form, but even once switched to RB he struggled. He has not been particularly effective since Pulis left (and his very full back friendly scheme with extreme protection from wingers and DCMs). Those expecting him to regain that form are taking a large leap of faith. I am willing to take that leap of faith because he was instrumental in our promotion, but he already has had a long leash due to our sentimentalities. If he does not pick it up the next few months it may need to be addressed in January.
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Atleast get the player's names spelt right in your end of 'Season Player ratings' no one cares about.

It's McArthur.

Yes maybe he should be dropped to regain some form if his performance at Villa is below par, but I do rate him as Premiership quality, so dont think he needs to be replaced. I on the other hand think Jedinak is finished at Palace.

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Ward had a very solid game at Norwich. Every player has an off day from time to time
Kind of irrelevant imo, as norwich had little to no threat on their left hand side.
Whittaker and Johnson will struggle to win any 1v1 against their full back.
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Old 20-08-2015, 12:13 AM
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I ask the people on here when has Ward cost us points other then on Sunday (apparently) one of the best RB in the league some people wet their knickers and over react to much. Form is temporary class is permenant.

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I thought he started to lose confidence after Ashley Young turned him inside out last season and he has looked very vulnerable since . You would have thought that our full backs would get plenty of practice opposing Wilf & Yala in training
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I think that may be the source of the problem cuz clearly both Wilf and Yala possess skills and tricks no other ordinary wingers can do on the pitch, therefore Ward isn't used to the normal twists and turns
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Kind of irrelevant imo, as norwich had little to no threat on their left hand side.
Whittaker and Johnson will struggle to win any 1v1 against their full back.
Whittaker was playing right-back? Robbie Brady was playing left-back for Norwich, and he is one of their few players that really has Premier League quality. Their midfield was a bit all over the place, but it's hard to argue that they have much of anything in there.

You should bear in mind though, that their chances came from down our left side, so while you say it is of little relevance, nobody started a threat questioning Souare's ability after that game.
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I ask the people on here when has Ward cost us points other then on Sunday (apparently) one of the best RB in the league some people wet their knickers and over react to much. Form is temporary class is permenant.
I'm starting to wonder if he's an Arsenal fan. I vaguely remember him directly or indirectly being at fault for both Arsenal goals at the Emirates in our first season up.
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Some people on here are morons, how can people even be suggesting that ward is a weak link or should possibly be dropped is crazy. You could probably count on your hands how many bad games this guy has had. He always gives 100% and a reminder that he did clear the ball of the line in the play off final if he hadn't done that at the death then we may not even be in the prem so people should show more faith and respect then what they are currently showing!
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Old 20-08-2015, 09:03 AM
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Some peoples expectations sometimes are too high, remember this is CPFC not City whereby we cant go out and bring in far better, if yes, Who? in reserve we have Mariappa, Kelly and Hunt, are they any better? No, but the answer could be Ward needs to be rested so as to re-access his game, and return better.
Yes he makes mistakes who doesn't, it's been mentioned just look at Ivanovic outstanding for years at the very highest level, yet this season (yes 2 games) his form has slipped, does that make him useless?
Sometimes fans just need to be patient and less demanding.
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Old 20-08-2015, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nigelbrag View Post
Some peoples expectations sometimes are too high, remember this is CPFC not City whereby we cant go out and bring in far better, if yes, Who? in reserve we have Mariappa, Kelly and Hunt, are they any better? No, but the answer could be Ward needs to be rested so as to re-access his game, and return better.
Yes he makes mistakes who doesn't, it's been mentioned just look at Ivanovic outstanding for years at the very highest level, yet this season (yes 2 games) his form has slipped, does that make him useless?
Sometimes fans just need to be patient and less demanding.
Spot on mate, Wardy is quality, it's just that he had a mare on Sunday like everybody else from time to time.
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