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Old 04-03-2019, 09:24 AM
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Personally I'd sooner go with 30 seconds for a sub to be complete... If not the player coming on has to wait until next ball out of play to come on.
And for a restart after a goal, to stop those overlong and elaborate celebrations.

The handball thing is clearly daft and won’t help at all as far as I can see. How would it help in the Moxey case, for instance, where the ball ricocheted up off his knee onto his hand and where there was clearly no intent?

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Penalties are too major an award for many minor incidents that wouldn't lead to a goal scoring opportunity.
Maybe what they are proposing should just be rewarded with a free kick in the box unless a shot is goal bound. A bit like lbw.
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:04 AM
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I'm sure there is clever-er way of saying this, but every time a law change is made it seems to complicate things even more. Simplification bringing complication? What about just taking away the law and putting really really simply what they mean - and if they can't then its probably a crap change.

Handball : did it hit the hand/arm? If yes, did the 'hit' player move his hand/arm to cause the contact with the ball? if yes - handball, if not, move on. The world will still spin on its axis. I am fairly certain that Wilf & Andros could comfortably kick the ball at the hand/arm of another player & while that sounds terrific fun, its not really the idea of the game.

'Leave by the nearest point' - Ref just stops the clock, no need for new law.

I assume that some sort of necessity test has to be passed to change / create a new law?

Perhaps if the authorities stated what they prioritised (goals, speed of the game, fairness, obedience to laws...), then we might understand why a change is needed.

Surely a better investment of time would be to have Refs more accountable for their decisions (body cam) balanced with meaningful instant and/or retrospective action against players that abuse Refs & lino's.
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:27 AM
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I'm sure there is clever-er way of saying this, but every time a law change is made it seems to complicate things even more. Simplification bringing complication? What about just taking away the law and putting really really simply what they mean - and if they can't then its probably a crap change.

Handball : did it hit the hand/arm? If yes, did the 'hit' player move his hand/arm to cause the contact with the ball? if yes - handball, if not, move on. The world will still spin on its axis. I am fairly certain that Wilf & Andros could comfortably kick the ball at the hand/arm of another player & while that sounds terrific fun, its not really the idea of the game.

'Leave by the nearest point' - Ref just stops the clock, no need for new law.

I assume that some sort of necessity test has to be passed to change / create a new law?

Perhaps if the authorities stated what they prioritised (goals, speed of the game, fairness, obedience to laws...), then we might understand why a change is needed.

Surely a better investment of time would be to have Refs more accountable for their decisions (body cam) balanced with meaningful instant and/or retrospective action against players that abuse Refs & lino's.
Get your point when it comes to the handball law, but surely having subs leave by the nearest touchline is simple, easy to enforce and makes complete sense.
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:34 AM
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At the moment refs are exposed by the time wasting injury time substitution. The board has already gone up to tell everyone that 4 minutes (or whatever) will be added on. These subs can easily take 2 plus minutes to sort out by the time the player coming off has rolled around on the far side of the pitch with 'cramp' then slowly hobbled off while taking time to generously applaud all corners of the ground.

If the opposing team then equalised in the 7th minute of stoppage time there would be uproar. Hence why this supposed 'add 30 seconds for a substitution' appears to have become the accepted wisdom even though I assume it's not written down anywhere.

The new approach seems an improvement.
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:36 AM
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Get your point when it comes to the handball law, but surely having subs leave by the nearest touchline is simple, easy to enforce and makes complete sense.
But then, certain teams (no names, no pack drill ) would contrive to substitute the player in the centre circle, or give some sort of signal so that he just happens to wander there. Or am I just getting even more cynical?

I think it has got to the point where we need a rugby-style clock for injuries and substitutions.
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And no longer rebounds from penalties?
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Old 04-03-2019, 01:18 PM
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But then, certain teams (no names, no pack drill ) would contrive to substitute the player in the centre circle, or give some sort of signal so that he just happens to wander there. Or am I just getting even more cynical?

I think it has got to the point where we need a rugby-style clock for injuries and substitutions.
so? That would still be much closer than a player getting to the other side of the pitch in prep for being subbed.
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Saw a journo tweet that attacking players are no longer allowed in the wall for free-kicks as well.
When the ref takes 90 seconds to set a wall up. It does my head in. Give the free kick, give the team 10 seconds to set a wall up. If the aren't 10 yards in 10 seconds - penalise them somehow.
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I assume a bookable offense if not taking the shortest route?
Like to see some sense here, some players it would not be wise to have to walk round half the ground. i think if you don't go off at the nearest point you need to RUN off, if you break stride you get a yellow.
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Penalties are too major an award for many minor incidents that wouldn't lead to a goal scoring opportunity.
Maybe what they are proposing should just be rewarded with a free kick in the box unless a shot is goal bound. A bit like lbw.
A free kick in the box is a penalty. Unless you think we should open up more cases of indirect free kicks - as is the case if the keeper handles a back pass for example.
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But then, certain teams (no names, no pack drill ) would contrive to substitute the player in the centre circle, or give some sort of signal so that he just happens to wander there. Or am I just getting even more cynical?

I think it has got to the point where we need a rugby-style clock for injuries and substitutions.
As opposed to now, where they substitute a player who has just wandered over to the far side of the pitch? He of course faces away so can't see the board, stops to do his laces up, hand shake with the referee, claps the 4 corners, stops to take the shin pads out, hand shakes with e few teammates etc etc.
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Currently there has to be an intent to handle the ball, it will be interested to see its interpretation.
In the penalty area, yes. But we all know free-kicks are always given when the ball hits a player's hand/arm and he maintains control of it, whether he meant it or not, and whatever the law says.

We're just going to end up with players blasting the ball at defender's hands as soon as they get in the area. Asking referees to correctly interpret the phrase 'natural silhouette' is just asking for trouble. How would they know what a natural position is? Most of them were the kid picked last at school.
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Players leaving by the shortest route just won't happen if they are time wasting. Instead they will feign injury and a stretcher will come on trebling the time. Also, as someone has already said, if that interpretation is correct re handball, then players can simply kick the ball at the defenders arms and win a free kick. And what about a 100mph pile driver blasted into someone's arm? Seriously, how can that be given?
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And no longer rebounds from penalties?
I'm not sure how this works? At what point are you allowed to attack again if the ball doesn't go out? Do you have to make x many passes or something daft?

Looks like they are also changing it so it's a drop ball if the ball hits the referee too!
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I'm not sure how this works? At what point are you allowed to attack again if the ball doesn't go out? Do you have to make x many passes or something daft?

Looks like they are also changing it so it's a drop ball if the ball hits the referee too!
Assume it would be the same as a shoot out, i.e. Ball is dead so re start with a freekick to the defending team if it's missed?

Takes away the variable application of encroachment I guess
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I'm not sure how this works? At what point are you allowed to attack again if the ball doesn't go out? Do you have to make x many passes or something daft?
I wonder if it is just the penalty taker that can't follow up, but another player can? Cue debates over entering the box prior to the kick being taken, which is already ignored on the whole.
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These law changes are daft

Why bring in VAR to help and then make changes to the laws so it's easier in theory for the refs, so VAR is not required?

The encroachment could be cleared up by VAR in seconds, tell the ref, re-taken penalty. Instead, lets change the law and re-educate every footballer that plays the game (assuming these are world wide changes, as that would be an even bigger farce!).

Handball, have VAR check for a handball and see if the hand is in an un-natural position when it's struck, VAR can clear that up pretty quick, but instead, make the law so the ball hitting your arm is a penalty unless it is hanging down by yourside. Yet still use VAR to check you made that call correctly.

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And no longer rebounds from penalties?
Where does this come from? It's not on the IFAB website and their media videos following the meet. It is on some media sites though.
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Players leaving by the shortest route just won't happen if they are time wasting. Instead they will feign injury and a stretcher will come on trebling the time.
I'd just ban substitutions after 85 minutes. Allow an extra sub in case of an injury, but the player going off will be ineligible for the next game.
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