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Old 05-06-2019, 12:45 AM
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He was double over the speed limit, if you want to look the other way than that’s up to you. If he had a blow out at a slower speed maybe he would be alive.
It's irrelevant. You might as well say 50mph is safer than 70mph and so on, the Croydon tram killed loads of people doing 50mph for example. You've jumped to a conclusion before any proper investigation of the crash, purely based on the speed that has been announced. If this was in Germany and technically legal would you say they same? Do you know any more details of this crash other than the speed?

Admittedly there's a good chance he was driving too fast for the situation, therefore carelessly or even dangerously, but you shouldn't make that assumption purely based on the speed. He could've simply just been unlucky.
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What a load of rubbish. "Speeding" is just a definition and varies from both the type of road, conditions of the road itself, weather and many other variables. In Germany it is perfectly acceptable to drive at the speed mentioned, providing it is deemed reasonable for the conditions.

It sounds like this accident was a result of something in the road causing a tyre blow out. Regardless of whatever speed the car was going this could easily cause an accident and death, whether he was exceeding the local speed limit or not. Most accidents are primarily caused by careless driving, often by people driving within the speed limit. In fact the slower you drive the less you concentrate, hence why such a large percent of accidents are caused by lorry drivers.
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With the German roads as example I believe the autobahns in Germany are specially designed and maintained for high speeds -far more so than the types of roads where this tragic incident happened.
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Old 05-06-2019, 06:54 AM
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It's irrelevant. You might as well say 50mph is safer than 70mph and so on, the Croydon tram killed loads of people doing 50mph for example. You've jumped to a conclusion before any proper investigation of the crash, purely based on the speed that has been announced. If this was in Germany and technically legal would you say they same? Do you know any more details of this crash other than the speed?

Admittedly there's a good chance he was driving too fast for the situation, therefore carelessly or even dangerously, but you shouldn't make that assumption purely based on the speed. He could've simply just been unlucky.
What can I say I hate tail gating and I hate speeding, you can make the speed about definition in your eyes but both are irresponsible for others . It’s not going to change my position because of the Autobahn. He put himself and others at risk going at that speed. I saw the car and read the reports which have now been confirmed by the authorities, I dont really think I jumped to conclusions.

The Croydon tram has no relation, that was caused by someone texting and not paying attention, the speed was a factor but it was down to not paying attention, which again I hate aswell.

If you want to put your life at risk do it on a track. Dont do it around others.

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Doing over 135mph!! Bloody hell. My car can do 170, but i have the utmost respect for the speed limits on motorways (any road for that matter). We don't know what caused the accident, but doing that sort of speed can't have helped
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No other time to say it, people will forget by next week. It’s his honest reaction as was mind when I heard he was driving the speeds he was. We look the other way with speeding but it’s bloody reckless and selfish.
Like I said, imagine if one of your relatives was killed in an accident and a workmate tweets within hours how they were an idiot because they were speeding.
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It's irrelevant. You might as well say 50mph is safer than 70mph and so on, the Croydon tram killed loads of people doing 50mph for example. You've jumped to a conclusion before any proper investigation of the crash, purely based on the speed that has been announced. If this was in Germany and technically legal would you say they same? Do you know any more details of this crash other than the speed?

Admittedly there's a good chance he was driving too fast for the situation, therefore carelessly or even dangerously, but you shouldn't make that assumption purely based on the speed. He could've simply just been unlucky.
This has got to be one of the worst posts I have seen on the BBS.

Him doing 135mph didn't effectively kill them and it could have been down to luck??! **** me.
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It's irrelevant. You might as well say 50mph is safer than 70mph and so on, the Croydon tram killed loads of people doing 50mph for example. You've jumped to a conclusion before any proper investigation of the crash, purely based on the speed that has been announced. If this was in Germany and technically legal would you say they same? Do you know any more details of this crash other than the speed?

Admittedly there's a good chance he was driving too fast for the situation, therefore carelessly or even dangerously, but you shouldn't make that assumption purely based on the speed. He could've simply just been unlucky.
If he was driving at the speed limit, do you think it likely the accident would have caused the car to blow up and burn out ?
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Spanish through roads, bypasses and motorways, are horrendous. Overtaking, and general high speed driving is common. Long expanses of little traffic roads and long distance, seems to encourage it.
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Spanish through roads, bypasses and motorways, are horrendous. Overtaking, and general high speed driving is common. Long expanses of little traffic roads and long distance, seems to encourage it.
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Imagine if one of your relatives was killed because someone was speeding.
FFS, no one is saying that speeding is right. I'm saying that Canizares comments,though correct, were badly timed. Don't you get that?
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FFS, no one is saying that speeding is right. I'm saying that Canizares comments,though correct, were badly timed. Don't you get that?
I get it. Cañizares has a big audience as well, as a TV commentator and analyst. I guess a lot of Spain was thinking what he made explicit, though. It would perhaps have been better to wait a few days and have the opportunity to address it more deeply, though.
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Spanish through roads, bypasses and motorways, are horrendous. Overtaking, and general high speed driving is common. Long expanses of little traffic roads and long distance, seems to encourage it.
Is that so? I think driving standards have dropped everywhere I go. Shirley, Beckenham areas are terrible. Use of middle lanes on motorways in the UK, is pathetic.
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Is that so? I think driving standards have dropped everywhere I go. Shirley, Beckenham areas are terrible. Use of middle lanes on motorways in the UK, is pathetic.
Yeah but in UK they're not doing it with 7 mates in the car or 4 sacks of cement across the handlebars of their scooters.
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Find it all very much virtual signalling for me. Has also led to occasions where certain ex players/managers are remembered yet others aren’t. Who says who is more worthy of this kind of honour? Just feels like every game now is preceded by a moment of reverence. In some cases about things that have nothing to do with football or the clubs involved. Just feels very weird as as soon as it ends everyone roars in true tribal fashion, ‘COME ONNN!’ ‘LET’S DO IT!’ It’s almost laughable. I blame Diana .
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Him doing 135mph didn't effectively kill them and it could have been down to luck??! **** me.
Don't be such a melodramatic drama queen and read my post. As I said there's a good chance he was driving either carelessly or dangerously for the conditions. However, just because he was breaking the speed limit it doesn't necessarily mean he was doing these things.

135mph does seem like a lot but like I said it is completely legal on most German autobahns, as the law there dictates that you should take responsibility for the way you drive. This puts the onus on the driver to take more responsibility for their own driving, making them less likely to drive carelessly regardless of what speed they're doing. Road conditions maybe be better in Germany than Spain but that is a rule that has been in existence for many years.

There are a lot more deaths from accidents where excessive speed wasn't the primary reason for the accident, partly because people falsely think they are completely safe if they do stick to the speed limits. The point I'm making the quality of driving is more important than the speed, and the empathises should be on that.
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