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Old 01-08-2020, 07:33 AM
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I sort of agree with CR, though probably for different reasons.

If you measure racism by average outcome (and I think he does), then clearly there are differences between racial groups which imply that some have it worse than others.

Though one of the many problems with that approach is that you might have to define 'white British' as discriminated against, as there are racial groups which, on average, do better.

But it's a nonsense definition, so I'm not going to defend it - but that doesn't mean it's wrong to say some ethnic minorities do worse than others. The trouble lies in only considering output and not also input (for want of better words) and the many other variables that go into the mix.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:45 AM
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Have you been on the sauce? Where have I said anywhere that some groups are more worthy of protection than others?

Then a rant about the left and jihadists. Islamophobia creeping in? Because of course if you support Palestinian rights you must be a jihadist eh. Then your strange lashing out at BLM.

Youíre an utter prick. Get off the drugs.
It is curious that you should mention islamphobia whilst your post that has created all these debates is blatantly anti Semitic and anti Hindu which you can't see.....


I agree with Joe's posts (apart from the profanities) and I am sure I am not in minority in coming to that conclusion in here.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:52 AM
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I sort of agree with CR, though probably for different reasons.

If you measure racism by average outcome (and I think he does), then clearly there are differences between racial groups which imply that some have it worse than others.

Though one of the many problems with that approach is that you might have to define 'white British' as discriminated against, as there are racial groups which, on average, do better.

But it's a nonsense definition, so I'm not going to defend it - but that doesn't mean it's wrong to say some ethnic minorities do worse than others. The trouble lies in only considering output and not also input (for want of better words) and the many other variables that go into the mix.
I think thatís fair enough. The difference with white British is that they canít suffer racism and will always have the levers of power which oppressed groups cannot and will not have.

My thoughts mainly came out out a black BLM speaker who was saying that the lack of representation and harm that black communities face is sometimes masked by using overall BME figures. I think he had a point. If I expressed that clumsily or hurt anyone I apologise.
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It is curious that you should mention islamphobia whilst your post that has created all these debates is blatantly anti Semitic and anti Hindu which you can't see.....

I agree with Joe's posts (apart from the profanities) and I am sure I am not in minority in coming to that conclusion in here.
Thatís sad if you think that and something for me to reflect on.

I canít see how talking about what the BLM speaker was saying was anti Hindu or anti Jewish, even if you think itís wrong. But anyway after this Iíll take a break from the boards, maybe for good. Itís not great for my mental health stuff like last night.
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It is curious that you should mention islamphobia whilst your post that has created all these debates is blatantly anti Semitic and anti Hindu which you can't see.....


I agree with Joe's posts (apart from the profanities) and I am sure I am not in minority in coming to that conclusion in here.
I quite enjoyed OJP's swearing - I thought it was rather creative.

Anyway, cr has well and truly lost the plot. Mainly with the Jew/Hindu stuff, but also saying that white British people can never suffer racism. I think he should stick to claiming that there was no war, poverty, oppression, disease, death, Jews &c. before capitalism was invented.
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Not sure how you can take that from my post. Of course not. Any racism is a big problem.
Particularly when it comes from self-professed 'progressive anti-racists' who need to look a bit more closely into trying to see the wood for the trees before they pontificate...
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...an Owen Jones piece in the Guardian. Firstly Owen supported the protest but wrote a line suggesting it was Wiley being black as well as his tweets meant people joined in. This was lost as the Guardian managed to get the wrong black grime star in the picture published with yhe article. One wonders the reaction of Owen if it was say a Kate Hopkins article would he accept the apology offered by her as we are suppose to from him.
A bit off-topic, but I've just read the Jones article, and it is ill-thought out self-serving drivel, as per.

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Rosie Duffield has had to lock her account as the Corbynites are after her for the crime of pointing out only women have a cervix.

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Certain sections of the left's obsession with trannies is utterly baffling.
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What do you mean "had to lock her account"? Surely being on or off Twitter, or blocking people on Twitter, is a choice rather than something you are forced to do?
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"A bit off-topic, but I've just read the Jones article, and it is ill-thought out self-serving drivel, as per." every Owen Jones article. The photo comedy is on a apr with the Lib Dem councillor breaking his solidarity Ramadan fast with a nice bit of bacon.

If you live in Islingtonia all these non white types tend to look the same I guess
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A bit of a trend it seems, but still early days:

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-2)
LAB: 38% (+2)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)

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Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 38% (-)
LDEM: 6% (-)

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A bit of a trend it seems, but still early days:

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-2)
LAB: 38% (+2)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 4% (-)

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Chgs. w/ 17 July

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (-1)
LAB: 38% (-)
LDEM: 6% (-)

via
@OpiniumResearch
, 30 - 31 Jul
I think pre election the polls were showing 45% Tories, 33% labour, so decent enough progress all things considered. Iíd be interested to know how those votes would actually reflect on seats.

I saw a Twitter account suggest that could see as many as 40 seat gains for labour, but with no actual source Iíd take that with a pinch of salt.
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