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Old 14-08-2015, 11:53 AM
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I suspect that the man of asian origin was only offended because he's recently been told that he should be.

This is so unbelievably stupid it deserves quoting twice.
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Old 14-08-2015, 11:56 AM
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All been done before hasn't it. Its not the word, be it pom, jap, russkie, chink etc so much as the body language and the context. If someone acted like that in public towards one of my foreign friends and one of us met him on the football pitch the next day, you can bet your life it might sway our decision to go in hard on him or not. Mind you he'd be well too fast for me these days, but thats by the by. Two wrongs don't make a right but you can't fix a racist in public, especially if he believes his 'celebrity' status will protect him, which it probably would.

I doubt they'll sack him but might look to shift him somewhere equally troublesome, like Sunderland or Wigan.
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No it isn't fox. You are trained by society in use of language. If not then perhaps you would like to explain why Guy Gibson named his dog n*gger, why this was used in the film but won't be in the remake. For example.
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Yes and it's correct , so why the need for the first sentence ?

An example of one person in a completely different context.
Because I genuinely was unsure behind the term 'Jap' and whether it would cause offence. It was also quoting another post, which yourself are now taking my post out of context.

Clearly all to see in the video that the way Jamie Vardy uses it is unacceptable and racist.
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Because I genuinely was unsure behind the term 'Jap' and whether it would cause offence. It was also quoting another post, which yourself are now taking my post out of context.

Clearly all to see in the video that the way Jamie Vardy uses it is unacceptable and racist.


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So are we going to start taking offence at people referring to the Scottish as 'Scots' or the British as 'Brits' or even Australians as 'Aussies'? all these seem to be accepted and not considered racist in the slightest.

Another ridiculous example of the PC Brigade making something out of nothing.
Would you take offence at being called a Scot if you are English though?
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No it isn't fox. You are trained by society in use of language. If not then perhaps you would like to explain why Guy Gibson named his dog n*gger, why this was used in the film but won't be in the remake. For example.
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I expect the three players sacked will be seeking compensation now for unfair dismissal.
Highly unlikely. Do you really believe the two offences are of equal merit?
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Old 14-08-2015, 12:35 PM
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No it isn't fox. You are trained by society in use of language. If not then perhaps you would like to explain why Guy Gibson named his dog n*gger, why this was used in the film but won't be in the remake. For example.
Do you think it was a good thing he called his dog ******? Do you think they should use the name in a remake?
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No it isn't fox. You are trained by society in use of language. If not then perhaps you would like to explain why Guy Gibson named his dog n*gger, why this was used in the film but won't be in the remake. For example.
Gibson loved that dog, so must have chosen its name with some thought and affection....not just because of its colour.

Seems extraordinary to us now though, doesn't it, because we view the n word in a negative and derogatory way.

Goes to show how the meaning of words is more fluid than many realise, and that we should also be careful how we judge others in hindsight.
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Do you think it was a good thing he called his dog ******? Do you think they should use the name in a remake?
1. Today no. But in the 1930's I wouldn't have noticed a problem. That's the point I made above.
2. Yes definitely because it's a historic event film and the reason the dog is in the forefront is because Gibson used him as the radio codeword for the successful breaching of the Mohne dam.

Did anyone write to HBO about use of the word 'Jap' in The Pacific?

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1. Today no. But in the 1930's I wouldn't have noticed a problem. That's the point I made above.
2. Yes definitely because it's a historic event film and the reason the dog is in the forefront is because Gibson used him as the radio codeword for the successful breaching of the Mohne dam.

Did anyone write to HBO about use of the word 'Jap' in The Pacific?

You either want to see how it was or wrap yourself in ignorance and bullshit.
They also had lynchings and segregation in the 1930's. That didn't stop because of language development, they stopped because people stood up to moronic bullying bigots.
Maybe someone had just told the Asian man that as well.
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1. Today no. But in the 1930's I wouldn't have noticed a problem. That's the point I made above.
2. Yes definitely because it's a historic event film and the reason the dog is in the forefront is because Gibson used him as the radio codeword for the successful breaching of the Mohne dam.

Did anyone write to HBO about use of the word 'Jap' in The Pacific?

You either want to see how it was or wrap yourself in ignorance and bullshit.
But TV isn´t a medium that has to "show it how it was", its primary focus is to entertain. the dogs name and the radio codeword could easily be changed, which would avoid upsetting people while making a minimal impact to the story.

Those that have a genuine interest in the story could easily read about it from numerous sources. As moral crusades about ignorance and bullshit go this one is pretty small.
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But TV isn´t a medium that has to "show it how it was", its primary focus is to entertain. the dogs name and the radio codeword could easily be changed, which would avoid upsetting people while making a minimal impact to the story.

Those that have a genuine interest in the story could easily read about it from numerous sources. As moral crusades about ignorance and bullshit go this one is pretty small.
Well it was an example for another point but the day the likes of Kanye West and Tarentino do the same in their productions is the day you may really argue this point. That's besides the fact that I, like most people, prefer true stories to be retold in truth. The alternative is Red Tails from George 'play the race card on my shit film' Lucas who managed to insult the Tuskagee airmen at the same time as make racist stereotypes of Germans all in the same shitty film. That's entertainment for you.
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They also had lynchings and segregation in the 1930's. That didn't stop because of language development, they stopped because people stood up to moronic bullying bigots.
Maybe someone had just told the Asian man that as well.
England, 1930's, racial segregation and ****** lynch mobs. You heard it here first.

If only a film production would tell us this story accurately instead of just concentrating on 'entertainment'
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