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Old 24-01-2017, 02:51 PM
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Majority of Britons disagree with Supreme Court ruling on Article 50

A poll a few weeks old. But nothing will have changed of course.

"A majority of British adults don't think that Theresa May should have to consult Parliament before triggering Article 50, according to a recent poll. This opinion is in contrast to the Supreme Court's ruling that MPs must vote before the Government can start the process of withdrawing from the European Union. Although this ruling has no bearing on whether the UK will leave the EU, it will allow opposition parties the opportunity to hold up the process by tabling amendments.

It also means that the bill to trigger Article 50 will have to be voted on by the Lords - the majority of whom are anti-Brexit - as well as by MPs. Polling carried out by YouGov earlier this month found that 54 per cent of British adults felt that the decision to trigger Article 50, and thus formally start the process of exiting the EU, should rest with the Prime Minister and not with Parliament. This rises to 85 per cent among those who voted to leave the EU in last June's referendum but falls to just 28 per cent among those who voted to remain. In total, just 31 per cent of British adults said that Parliament should have the final say.

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Old 24-01-2017, 03:03 PM
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Senior member of shadow cabinet says Labour MPs will be whipped to vote for Article 50 despite ructions last week when whip was first mooted
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:04 PM
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:05 PM
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Senior member of shadow cabinet says Labour MPs will be whipped to vote for Article 50 despite ructions last week when whip was first mooted
What will whipping do? Hardly anyone wants to work in the shadow cabinet anyway.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:09 PM
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What will whipping do? Hardly anyone wants to work in the shadow cabinet anyway.
Ensures there will be probably a grand total of 90 mps who vote against the one line bill. Then over to the lords to dare to even delay or halt it.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:10 PM
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Senior member of shadow cabinet says Labour MPs will be whipped to vote for Article 50 despite ructions last week when whip was first mooted
This has to be a free vote due to the importance of the issue. MPs should be able to represent their constituents on this.
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:12 PM
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What will whipping do? Hardly anyone wants to work in the shadow cabinet anyway.
Quite.

WHIP: Corbyn is insisting you vote with the party - you must do it!

MPS: Umm. Firstly when did Corbyn ever obey the whips and not his conscience and secondly STFU Corbyn - we have made it clear that we don't want you so whip away.

Now they may well choose to follow the 'will of the people' for fear of their northern seats but the whips will not influence this either way.
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What happens if they voted different to what their constituent voted though? Surely they just need to vote it through and then worry about the details
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:13 PM
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It said on the ballot it was non-binding and advisory...

Didn't see that but have read this:-

9 June 2015, the Foreign Secretary said:


“The referendum on Thursday 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in the European Union.”

“This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

Additionally Cameron said there would be no going back, changing minds and trying to join the EU again if we voted leave. Unless of course his remain campaign was just all lies
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:14 PM
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This has to be a free vote due to the importance of the issue. MPs should be able to represent their constituents on this.
Interesting and I agree. Now will the MPS follow their general constituents or the constituents that voted for them in 2010/2015? Did northern labour followers vote for Brexit or did loads of people that you would expect Labour to represent but normally do not bother to vote, vote for Brexit?
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:16 PM
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I would definitely change my mind now and vote remain. That Osbourne emergency budget has crippled me financially as well as this recession we're in.
I voted remain but would vote leave now as all this legal challenge isn't respecting the will of the majority of the people who voted.
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You are joking - from bent bananas to too many immigrants millions have been brain washed into believing the EU is the devil
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Old 24-01-2017, 03:21 PM
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Didn't see that but have read this:-

9 June 2015, the Foreign Secretary said:


“The referendum on Thursday 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in the European Union.”

“This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.”

Additionally Cameron said there would be no going back, changing minds and trying to join the EU again if we voted leave. Unless of course his remain campaign was just all lies
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"The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.

A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so. In practical terms this would mean someone would be able to go to court to make the government implement the result".

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The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether they should remain a member of the European Union or leave it.[1][2]
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Anyone know the process now in terms of the bill and the proposed amendments ?

Are the amendments debated on and then voted on an individuall basis or is a debate simply held on the bill including proposed amendments and then it is all voted on at the same time?
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"The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.

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The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether they should remain a member of the European Union or leave it.[1][2]

Like I said it is this wrangling that has caused myself, a remainer to regret voting that way.

Indeed, would people like yourself be trying to suggest "ah but it was only advisory" if remain had won?
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so unlike the honest Remain campaign
That was just scaremongering. All they had to do was not **** up their campaign and carry on as they were... slight failure there .

There was need for a grand strategy if they won which is something very different from what was required from the leave campaign.

To be honest I don't trust any of our politicians to implement a major change of this magnitude, leave or remain. Just curious to see if those that were duped into voting leave (under the assumption they had a workable plan and any clue what they were doing) have changed there minds or not.

It's pretty pathetic that the powers that be (both leave and remain) really had no strategy and knowledge of the real world mechanics of a leave vote and how the process would work.
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"The referendum was not legally binding. There’s no one source that can prove this statement true (although here’s a respectable one). That follows from the fact that the European Union Referendum Act 2015 didn’t say anything about implementing the result of the vote. It just provided that there should be one.

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The European Union Referendum Act 2015 (c 36) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom that made legal provision for a non-binding referendum to be held in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, on whether they should remain a member of the European Union or leave it.[1][2]
You left this bit out of your wiki quote

"This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide". it's source/note number [13]
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