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Old 01-06-2019, 06:47 AM
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Owen Jones author. No thanks.
Owen Jones is a classic, everything is terrible and its all the fault of the tories. Everyone of his articles can be reduced to that. You will not learn a thing from that snowflake.
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Owen Jones is a classic, everything is terrible and its all the fault of the tories. Everyone of his articles can be reduced to that. You will not learn a thing from that snowflake.
I like a lot of what he writes but I don't disagree with you. I wonder what his take would've been if Labour had proposed these changes:

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I saw on the news today the number of people on low wages (whatever that means) is at its lowest since 1980.

No one ever produces a report that says everything is fine and dandy. Theyd never be asked to do another.

Here’s the story. God knows if it can be taken as evidence against these more negative reports, but there it is anyway.

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Old 01-06-2019, 08:12 AM
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"a think tank has said", The very definition of a politically motivated plant story.
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Old 19-06-2019, 05:44 AM
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Some surprising and some not so surprising findings from the IFS

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Old 19-06-2019, 11:48 AM
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A quick read of that tells me things have improved under the tories despite the UN and clever definitions of poverty. Fig 4.7 says it all.
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Please take your head out of your bottom and actually look at the world around you. This country actively exploits the poor and puts profit before everything else.
Since when did a spreadsheet inspire a true community?
You support Palace because you want to, not because the numbers add up ... or there is a five year plan.
Everything may not be 'fine and dandy' but I still believe.
And it is sharing that belief that enables me as a person, not some arbitrary numbers that says we should be better ... on paper.
Personally I would prefer it if he/she (I am not aware of Skintagain's gender) didn't support Palace
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With regards to family disposable income the key variables are energy and transport. Transport making up 14% of family expenditure. Family disposable incomes were rising exceptionally strongly just before the election in 2015 as gas, electricity and petrol prices were falling - hence it was less surprising than you might think that the Tories did so well/ That wasn't the case in 2017.
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The other glaringly obvious problem is that as the percentage of adults in work increases then so naturally will the number of households with more than one income. It then become statistically unavoidable that single income households will fall down the income scale.
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Old 20-06-2019, 08:29 AM
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Personally I would prefer it if he/she (I am not aware of Skintagain's gender) didn't support Palace
Oh go on, let me be a Palace supporter.

What if I lead the HF in a chant of "O Jeremy Corbyn" can I keep my season ticket then.
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Old 20-06-2019, 10:03 AM
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Once again we saw the Times rich list pile on the wealth, yet wages dropped in 17/18 yet again.

The number of homeless people has significantly increased.
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Old 20-06-2019, 10:12 AM
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Once again we saw the Times rich list pile on the wealth, yet wages dropped in 17/18 yet again.

The number of homeless people has significantly increased.
We need to leave the EU and spend on our Communities how we want to .... Putting back into national ownership trains and utility services cannot be achieved while being members of the EU.
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We need to leave the EU and spend on our Communities how we want to .... Putting back into national ownership trains and utility services cannot be achieved while being members of the EU.
Austerity and poverty in the U.K. has jack shit to do with the EU. It’s the U.K. state.
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Old 20-06-2019, 11:18 AM
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We need to leave the EU and spend on our Communities how we want to .... Putting back into national ownership trains and utility services cannot be achieved while being members of the EU.
How on earth is a decrease in national wealth and tax receipts going to help with wealth redistribution?
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Old 20-06-2019, 11:19 AM
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Austerity and poverty in the U.K. has jack shit to do with the EU. It’s the U.K. state.
our economy is going through all these troubles over the years while being inside the European Union .. a Haven for tax avoiding business ..... Exporters of cheap labour..... Importer of UK jobs .... things like motorcars used to be made at Dagenham!
The EU does youth unemployment and cheap labour very well.
take the look at the rich lovees around you on the next remain March.....they are the winners.
If you were a traditional Socialist rather than a globalist communist anarchist you might realise this.
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How on earth is a decrease in national wealth and tax receipts going to help with wealth redistribution?
How's that crystal ball... Let's wait and see .. I believe in our business and our workers to adapt and compete.
The bigger problems will be for Ireland and for the European Union covering its own bills.
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You believed the likes of Heseltine with his European Union pension and huge landowner subsidies from the European Union to do nothing with it.
I will trust my country and it's people.
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our economy is going through all these troubles over the years while being inside the European Union .. a Haven for tax avoiding business ..... Exporters of cheap labour..... Importer of UK jobs .... things like motorcars used to be made at Dagenham!
The EU does youth unemployment and cheap labour very well.
take the look at the rich lovees around you on the next remain March.....they are the winners.
If you were a traditional Socialist rather than a globalist communist anarchist you might realise this.
It's an absolute cop out for the UK state. Which developed some of the most draconian anti union laws in Europe and pushed austerity. The EU didn't make the UK do any of that.

Did you trust "your country" as it crushed the miners? As it oversaw the decimation of trade unions?
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It's an absolute cop out for the UK state. Which developed some of the most draconian anti union laws in Europe and pushed austerity. The EU didn't make the UK do any of that.

Did you trust "your country" as it crushed the miners? As it oversaw the decimation of trade unions?
It's Much easier to change society at a national level.
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A quick read of that tells me things have improved under the tories despite the UN and clever definitions of poverty. Fig 4.7 says it all.
Or Fig 3.1 that shows absolute poverty is at historic low levels, although there was a small rise in the final year i think which needs to be looked at.
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