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Old 15-06-2019, 12:29 AM
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Leaving the Labour party - one which many insiders think is on the verge of Government - for a brand new party is career suicide. He could've kept is head down and waited out the Labour left then emerged as a front runner once Labour moved back towards the centre once more. So I'm unconvinced your careerist accusation stands up to any sort of scrutiny.

Though I'm pleased to see that people think the Lib Dems is a good career move these days. Strange times indeed.
It’s not a good career move, it’s all he had left.

He was sidelined in labour and knew that might never change. He didn’t want to be “just” an MP.

He’s a total egotist whose views change to suit himself.
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Old 15-06-2019, 12:35 AM
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So he's a careerist, or an egotist that shoots his career in the foot?
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So he's a careerist, or an egotist that shoots his career in the foot?
It's quite easy for him to be all of them things within this scenario. I don't think he'd ever have predicted the move to the Left that there has been. Personally I believe he's that much of an egotist he thought he could start up and be part of a new party and have it flourish.
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tasty_snacks... I have an odd question. Are you involved in the Bromley & Orpington Lib/Dems also? I think we may have a mutual acquaintance if you do.
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Old 15-06-2019, 12:46 AM
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tasty_snacks... I have an odd question. Are you involved in the Bromley & Orpington Lib/Dems also? I think we may have a mutual acquaintance if you do.
That's not as odd a question as it used to be, there are many more of us now.

Indeed I am.
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That's not as odd a question as it used to be, there are many more of us now.

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It's quite easy for him to be all of them things within this scenario. I don't think he'd ever have predicted the move to the Left that there has been. Personally I believe he's that much of an egotist he thought he could start up and be part of a new party and have it flourish.
Like the vast majority of things in life, there's no binary definition.

But, if he were a careerist at the expense of all else, frankly he wouldn't have joined the Labour party in the first instance.

It's a bit rum having a member of the Labour party accuse a politician of being careerist when dozens of Labour MPs changed their minds overnight on 24th June 2016 about one of the most polarising and deeply felt issues this country has ever experienced.
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That's sensible, you never know when social media will come back to bite you on the arse these days.

I'll probably still PM you, though.
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Old 15-06-2019, 01:00 AM
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That's sensible, you never know when social media will come back to bite you on the arse these days.

I'll probably still PM you, though.
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Old 15-06-2019, 08:27 AM
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Like the vast majority of things in life, there's no binary definition.

But, if he were a careerist at the expense of all else, frankly he wouldn't have joined the Labour party in the first instance.

It's a bit rum having a member of the Labour party accuse a politician of being careerist when dozens of Labour MPs changed their minds overnight on 24th June 2016 about one of the most polarising and deeply felt issues this country has ever experienced.
That’s not true though is it. At the time he was promised rising star status. Indeed rather pathetically he changed his own wiki entry to say he could be the next Obama. Not sure if that was before or after he referred to ordinarily people as “trash”.

There are of course many careerist MPs but the flip flopping of Chuka takes some doing.

His ego drove him towards CHUK and when that nose dived the Lib Dems were his only option.

As said even as an MP he was known for not taking casework seriously enough and I found that out through direct experience. He also lied to the CLP and castigated people for daring to suggest there were rumours he was leaving. Then promptly left.
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Old 15-06-2019, 08:29 AM
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If rumours are true he will be given Cables seat on a plate I imagine other Lib Dem candidates won’t be too happy.

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This interview is great. His answer to why morally he shouldn’t go to a by election is laughable.

He then at the end says he has no intention of trying any other party

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Whoever wins the Lib Dem leadership should watch their back because Chuka hasn't joined them to be a foot soldier. It'll be all about him soon enough.
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Old 15-06-2019, 04:23 PM
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This is my favouritist line about Chuk joining the Lib Dems to date

“Senior Lib Dem MPs including Jo Swinson, the frontrunner to be the next Lib Dem leader, and Ed Davey, the other contender in the leadership battle, were quick to welcome Umunna to the party last week. In the hours following his move the Liberal Democrats’ head of membership and engagement reported a surge of 800 new members.
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How many football teams has chuka supported? As many as political parties he's been in or more 🤔
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This is my favouritist line about Chuk joining the Lib Dems to date

“Senior Lib Dem MPs including Jo Swinson, the frontrunner to be the next Lib Dem leader, and Ed Davey, the other contender in the leadership battle, were quick to welcome Umunna to the party last week. In the hours following his move the Liberal Democrats’ head of membership and engagement reported a surge of 800 new members.
Interesting. I've been considering joining the Lib Dems for some time. The way they've welcomed Umunna has rather put me off.
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Interesting. I've been considering joining the Lib Dems for some time. The way they've welcomed Umunna has rather put me off.
On what basis should they have refused him? Or should they have just been less welcoming; reluctantly opening the door and ushering him in so no one noticed.
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I'm not bothered about him coming in to the Lib Dems. I do question his integrity about not calling a by election though. If he is so insistent the community vote based on the individual rather than the party then I'm not sure what he is worried about.

The trouble is so many people are so staunch towards a party they literally would vote for them no matter what. My Nan was like that, I remember the 92 election (I think!), where she was so insistent she was voting Labour no matter what, because she always had.
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On what basis should they have refused him? Or should they have just been less welcoming; reluctantly opening the door and ushering him in so no one noticed.
Given what he has previously said about the party, I don't think they should be lauding him in the way they are.
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Given what he has previously said about the party, I don't think they should be lauding him in the way they are.
Understood. Reckon they are just milking it from a PR point of view. They want to be seen as the party of reasonableness. The party that will welcome traditional Labour or conservative voters into their fold if they want to remain/re-join the EU.

Refusing chukka would have been a PR disaster from this perspective.
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