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Old 11-10-2019, 08:13 AM
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In my view, the Kurds were foolish not to align themselves with the Syrian gov from the outset. What exactly did they expect would happen? Did they expect the US to protect them forever?
The Syrian govt would have protected them from the Turks?
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:16 AM
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Old 11-10-2019, 08:49 AM
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In my view, the Kurds were foolish not to align themselves with the Syrian gov from the outset. What exactly did they expect would happen? Did they expect the US to protect them forever?
like alligning themselves with the Syrian govt was a realistic option....(it may happen now out of desperation)
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:22 AM
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Any truth that Israeli reservists are hankering to get involved on the side of the Kurds? If so, the political chess match becomes even more confusing.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:40 AM
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None them helped at the Normandy landings.
In true Trump style, this also seems to turn out to be untrue, that they didn't fight in WW2, in that Kurds served in the UK Armed forces, notably among the Commando units and Parachute units.

They were part of the Commonwealth forces levied from Iraq serving with the British.

I think what Trump actually means is that he hasn't seen any Kurds in the two or three WWII films that he dozed off in.

I like the fact he tries to refer to having read about this somewhere.... Tosser.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:42 AM
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None them helped at the Normandy landings.
Everybody is fair game except the Canadians and Brits by the look of things.
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Everybody is fair game except the Canadians and Brits by the look of things.
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The Syrian govt would have protected them from the Turks?
Possibly, within Syrian territory. My guess is that Turkey is only attacking them now because, with the yanks pulling out, they have isolated themselves. If they were under Syrian gov control (ie Syrian army) Turkey would effectively be declaring war on Syria, which is a very different proposition.

They probably assumed that the opposition forces would oust Assad and felt it was their best chance to gain some sort of homeland.

This is all pure guesswork.
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like alligning themselves with the Syrian govt was a realistic option....(it may happen now out of desperation)
Yes - they are Syrian Kurds.
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:19 AM
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Old 11-10-2019, 10:21 AM
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Yes - they are Syrian Kurds.
It might have escaped your attention, but Assad has been systematically butchering Syrians. He’s repeatedly used chemical weapons on civilians. He and Putin have specialised in bombing hospitals. Then when people run to help the victims, bombing them too.

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like alligning themselves with the Syrian govt was a realistic option....(it may happen now out of desperation)
The YPG did and have aligned themselves with Assad. Sadly they did this rather than align themselves with the Free Syrian Army.

The FSA is a now a rump of its former self and a proxy of Turkey.

At its height it controlled the majority of Syria and was the only force promising democratic elections. If the YPG had backed the FSA at this point it could have had a real impact. Instead, shamefully in my view, they backed Assad, including in the battle for Aleppo.

Obviously I back them against Turkey but they are reaping what they sowed to some extent. Indeed it was comical to see their fanboys denouncing the FSA for taking paltry aid from the west while being silent on the huge amount of aid the YPG got from the US, including allowing US military bases all over their territory.
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It might have escaped your attention, but Assad has been systematically butchering Syrians. He’s repeatedly used chemical weapons on civilians. He and Putin have specialised in bombing hospitals. Then when people run to help the victims, bombing them too.

“You should have put your faith in Assad” is just an astonishing line.
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Any truth that Israeli reservists are hankering to get involved on the side of the Kurds? If so, the political chess match becomes even more confusing.
None, has Trump asked where were Israeli's in the 2nd world war? Or indeed himself in the Vietnam one?

Interestingly the Kurds fought for the British in WW2 as part of the Assyrain Brigades against the nationalist coup in Iraq, 1941, that was backed by Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany against Britain effectively.
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My former colleague at work who served in the Israeli army told me that had Assad gone for the Druze in southern Syria then the Druze in the Israeli army would have been impossible to hold back. He told me they were some of the fiercest of the Israeli army.
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My former colleague at work who served in the Israeli army told me that had Assad gone for the Druze in southern Syria then the Druze in the Israeli army would have been impossible to hold back. He told me they were some of the fiercest of the Israeli army.
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There were many British soldiers that wanted to fight ISIS so went out there are joined the Kurds to do it. They are in their armies. Now they face NATO. How long before the news reports the death of a white British ex servicemen who fought in Afghanistan or Iraq at the hands of Turks.
They are not fighting NATO though are they. In fact it is NATO members who had lead the criticism of what Turkey are doing in the UN Council.

EU And US sacntions are probably likely at this point.

THe question you are asking is why should Amrica have to post troops in the middle east and how long for?
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The YPG did and have aligned themselves with Assad. Sadly they did this rather than align themselves with the Free Syrian Army.

The FSA is a now a rump of its former self and a proxy of Turkey.

At its height it controlled the majority of Syria and was the only force promising democratic elections. If the YPG had backed the FSA at this point it could have had a real impact. Instead, shamefully in my view, they backed Assad, including in the battle for Aleppo.

Obviously I back them against Turkey but they are reaping what they sowed to some extent. Indeed it was comical to see their fanboys denouncing the FSA for taking paltry aid from the west while being silent on the huge amount of aid the YPG got from the US, including allowing US military bases all over their territory.
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They are not fighting NATO though are they. In fact it is NATO members who had lead the criticism of what Turkey are doing in the UN Council.

EU And US sacntions are probably likely at this point.

THe question you are asking is why should Amrica have to post troops in the middle east and how long for?
They are fighting the troops of a NATO member.

Sadly no one has even mentioned sanctions, the world is offering weasly words and zero actual action.

As ever, in geopolitics, the Kurds don't matter. Single use fighters to be developed when useful and then binned.

The Turks, just like the Persians and Iraqis have been repressing the Kurds for centuries, no one has ever given a shit.
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