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Old 13-10-2019, 02:32 AM
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Shows the danger of the president having the commander in chief role as well. The Trump presidency has been an experiment in how much power a president actually has and does the system keep him in check? So far congress and the courts has frustrated him during his worst excesses domestically but it appears the POTUS does have too much control over the military and US foreign policy, if the UK were responsible for Kurdish security Johnson would still need to win a vote in the commons to enact any change I'm sure. Trump appears to have done this with a snap of his fingers and no one should have that much power (especially not him).
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Not sure what this post adds to anything.
oh jesus cr it shows that in a civil war environment politics is a sea of shifting alliances its not a particularly difficult concept to grasp. No idea why you are struggling with it. Its probably more pertinent then you so called critiques of Rojavia and the YPG and your "left" articles.
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Shows the danger of the president having the commander in chief role as well. The Trump presidency has been an experiment in how much power a president actually has and does the system keep him in check? So far congress and the courts has frustrated him during his worst excesses domestically but it appears the POTUS does have too much control over the military and US foreign policy, if the UK were responsible for Kurdish security Johnson would still need to win a vote in the commons to enact any change I'm sure. Trump appears to have done this with a snap of his fingers and no one should have that much power (especially not him).
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Old 13-10-2019, 09:35 AM
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oh jesus cr it shows that in a civil war environment politics is a sea of shifting alliances its not a particularly difficult concept to grasp. No idea why you are struggling with it. Its probably more pertinent then you so called critiques of Rojavia and the YPG and your "left" articles.
Iím not struggling with it, as I thought your post didnít add anything.

The articles Iíve put up are by someone who has a huge amount of knowledge about the civil war in Syria. So yes a lot more pertinent than your posts.
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Old 13-10-2019, 02:05 PM
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Shows the danger of the president having the commander in chief role as well. The Trump presidency has been an experiment in how much power a president actually has and does the system keep him in check? So far congress and the courts has frustrated him during his worst excesses domestically but it appears the POTUS does have too much control over the military and US foreign policy, if the UK were responsible for Kurdish security Johnson would still need to win a vote in the commons to enact any change I'm sure. Trump appears to have done this with a snap of his fingers and no one should have that much power (especially not him).


This was my take as well. Usually a US President is highly constrained in what they can or canít do but as Commander in Chief Trump was able to withdraw despite strong bipartisan opposition in Congress and being considered a mistake by the services, security agencies and foreign policy civil servants. Here the deep state has had no power to frustrate Trump.

If this turns into a massacre there will be only one person to blame. With Trump probably facing a Senate impeachment vote in the next year will this lose him any Senators?

Also itís hard to see how this doesnít further waken NATO. Although as Trump wants to see the end of NATO thatís probably a good thing in his book
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Iím not struggling with it, as I thought your post didnít add anything.

The articles Iíve put up are by someone who has a huge amount of knowledge about the civil war in Syria. So yes a lot more pertinent than your posts.
like your early posts added anything? your absolutist style does you no favours. just because a journalist you like does not make my posts less pertinent as i have not tried to compare them , you foolishly have.
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Old 13-10-2019, 06:09 PM
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like your early posts added anything? your absolutist style does you no favours. just because a journalist you like does not make my posts less pertinent as i have not tried to compare them , you foolishly have.
You said your posts were probably more pertinent than the articles I put up. They clearly arenít, or anything close. Sam Hamad has an extensive knowledge of the Syrian civil war. He isnít even particularly left wing, he supports the SNP and the Lib Dems.

In terms of absolutists style I actually took your point and said it could be better phrased.

Your point scoring does you no favours.
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Old 13-10-2019, 07:27 PM
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This was my take as well. Usually a US President is highly constrained in what they can or can’t do but as Commander in Chief Trump was able to withdraw despite strong bipartisan opposition in Congress and being considered a mistake by the services, security agencies and foreign policy civil servants. Here the deep state has had no power to frustrate Trump.

If this turns into a massacre there will be only one person to blame. With Trump probably facing a Senate impeachment vote in the next year will this lose him any Senators?

Also it’s hard to see how this doesn’t further waken NATO. Although as Trump wants to see the end of NATO that’s probably a good thing in his book
TRUMP is aCUNIT end of....selling allies down the swanny to Erdogans army is a vile act of treason
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Erdogan, Kim Jung IL and Putin, anyone get the feeling Trump both admires and envies them.

Whether there is a direct link between Putin and Trump, his actions certainly suit Putin's agenda.
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So the US withdraw and the Syrians and perhaps Russian are headed in the direction. Why is this sensible?
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Has Elizabeth Warren commentated yet? She's the likely Democrat candidate so I'm wondering how the Democrats would react in this situation. Will they be militarily interventionist or likely to disengage from the Middle East? It's hard now to see how any ally can trust the US and as a consequence NATO after Trump's behaviour because without the Americans it is clearly toothless.
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Kurds look to have done a deal with Syrian gov.
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Old 14-10-2019, 04:14 AM
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Rather than risk their own troops the Turkish land forces are largely made up of Arabic mercenaries who were part of the Syrian wing of Al Queda. So the Kurds fought to rid Syria of Islamists for Trump to hand them over to Islamists.

A return to Assad probably seems the least worst option. Their political leaders will be disappeared over time but their will be security
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At least 750 people with suspected links to Islamic State have reportedly fled a displacement camp in north-east Syria,

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They are fighting the troops of a NATO member.

Sadly no one has even mentioned sanctions, the world is offering weasly words and zero actual action.

As ever, in geopolitics, the Kurds don't matter. Single use fighters to be developed when useful and then binned.

The Turks, just like the Persians and Iraqis have been repressing the Kurds for centuries, no one has ever given a shit.
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Rather than risk their own troops the Turkish land forces are largely made up of Arabic mercenaries who were part of the Syrian wing of Al Queda. So the Kurds fought to rid Syria of Islamists for Trump to hand them over to Islamists.

A return to Assad probably seems the least worst option. Their political leaders will be disappeared over time but their will be security
Are you sure this is true? My understanding is that the Syrian Arab forces that Turkey are using are the remnants of the Free Syrian Army.
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oke thing i dint get can someone explain is what is the actual benefit for Turkey?
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Kurds look to have done a deal with Syrian gov.
Yup. Lol @ Turkey. They are now fighting seasoned troops backed up with modern Russian kit.

Am I wrong in assuming that Erdogan has sent his own army across the border?
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Are you sure this is true? My understanding is that the Syrian Arab forces that Turkey are using are the remnants of the Free Syrian Army.
No, I'm not in Syria, but it is being reported here that the ex members of Al-Nusra Front are heavily involved. I also saw that reported by the New Yorker.
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Another reason in hindsight to label David Cameron quite simply the biggest utter irresponsible tit to have ever held the PM office; he was one of those that strongly supported Turkey’s EU membership attempt.

My family are Greek Cypriot, so trying desperately not to be partisan; but have watched with more than a raised eyebrow over the years how Britain have slowly ‘accepted’ the illegal state of Northern Cyprus and even made it a lovely little holiday resort for our people.
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