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A Car Question.

For people that know about cars because I don't.

Is a diesel car worth considering in this day and age or should you stay away from them?
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For people that know about cars because I don't.

Is a diesel car worth considering in this day and age or should you stay away from them?
If you are buying second hand, do over 12k miles per year, getting it for a good price and you don't live in a City or large town, then probably yes.
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If you are buying second hand, do over 12k miles per year, getting it for a good price and you don't live in a City or large town, then probably yes.
Why over 12k miles per year?
I told you I know nowt about cars.
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Why over 12k miles per year?
I told you I know nowt about cars.
It's the figure that is normally quoted as the threshold above which the fuel consumption savings of a diesel start to make sense.
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Positives: Great reliability. Tremendous fuel economy. A smoother, better ride than many petrol cars. If you are doing a significant amount of weekly mileage and longer journeys in general, I'd swear by them. Downsides: Shorter service intervals. Not great these days for stop-start, shorter type driving. Not seen as loving the planet. Being phased out as options by a number of manufacturers. The day they stop making diesels available is probably the day I stop driving.
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Ok thanks.
I've not worded the question right really. What I want to know is, will owning a diesel mean you'll get hit with all sorts of taxes/charges in the near future what with the environmental issues?
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Diesel cars manufactured before 2015 seem more likely to attract additional charges, eg for driving in central London. But that might not be an issue for you, depending on where you intend to drive.
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Ok thanks.
I've not worded the question right really. What I want to know is, will owning a diesel mean you'll get hit with all sorts of taxes/charges in the near future what with the environmental issues?
You are more likely to be hit with restrictions about driving into towns and cities. I think (and this is speculation) that there is a limit on how quickly other restrictions and taxes could be introduced, because so many people were encouraged to buy diesel vehicles. It would be politically fraught.

I was talking to an analyst from Morgan Stanley who said that a big problem facing car manufacturers and finance companies are PCP's. What happens when everyone with diesels hands them back and the end of the contract? Their second hand values will be nowhere near what was calculated when the contracts were taken out
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You are more likely to be hit with restrictions about driving into towns and cities. I think (and this is speculation) that there is a limit on how quickly other restrictions and taxes could be introduced, because so many people were encouraged to buy diesel vehicles. It would be politically fraught.

I was talking to an analyst from Morgan Stanley who said that a big problem facing car manufacturers and finance companies are PCP's. What happens when everyone with diesels hands them back and the end of the contract? Their second hand values will be nowhere near what was calculated when the contracts were taken out
You seem to know what you're talking about (like the others on this thread).
The car I've seen is a Toyata Yaris. Bit of a noddy car I suppose but I've got big ears and am at an age where that sort of thing doesn't matter to me.
It's a 2013 with below average mile, fsh and all that but the thing that most appeals is the 20 a year road tax.
Are these cars any good?
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You are more likely to be hit with restrictions about driving into towns and cities. I think (and this is speculation) that there is a limit on how quickly other restrictions and taxes could be introduced, because so many people were encouraged to buy diesel vehicles. It would be politically fraught.

I was talking to an analyst from Morgan Stanley who said that a big problem facing car manufacturers and finance companies are PCP's. What happens when everyone with diesels hands them back and the end of the contract? Their second hand values will be nowhere near what was calculated when the contracts were taken out
That is spot on.

I returned my diesel and got a petrol couple of years ago.
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Living where I do, I haven't owned a car for two years (my wife does occasionally let me drive hers).

Don't know about the Yaris but anything from a Japanese manufacturer will be fine. Go for it.
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If you are concerned about air quality and people's health don't buy secondhand diesel. If you don't care about that but are concerned about sell on value, don't buy diesel. If you don't want to face extra tax and restrictions on car use in urban areas don't buy diesel. If you don't care about any of these things I have no further advice.
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You seem to know what you're talking about (like the others on this thread).
The car I've seen is a Toyata Yaris. Bit of a noddy car I suppose but I've got big ears and am at an age where that sort of thing doesn't matter to me.
It's a 2013 with below average mile, fsh and all that but the thing that most appeals is the 20 a year road tax.
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Positives: Great reliability. Tremendous fuel economy. A smoother, better ride than many petrol cars. If you are doing a significant amount of weekly mileage and longer journeys in general, I'd swear by them. Downsides: Shorter service intervals. Not great these days for stop-start, shorter type driving. Not seen as loving the planet. Being phased out as options by a number of manufacturers. The day they stop making diesels available is probably the day I stop driving.
Diesels are no more reliable than petrol cars, and have the added DPF issues not suffered by petrol cars

Also, smoother, better ride. this is patently nonsense, there is little or no difference, in ride quality between the two, assuming the same suspension set up. The main difference is that petrol cars are silent by comparison, inside and outside the car
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Diesels are no more reliable than petrol cars, and have the added DPF issues not suffered by petrol cars

Also, smoother, better ride. this is patently nonsense, there is little or no difference, in ride quality between the two, assuming the same suspension set up. The main difference is that petrol cars are silent by comparison, inside and outside the car
Based on your location you may know the answer to this. How did Porsche make the Cayenne Diesel S so slow?
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I had a diesel Focus, but got rid of it after 3 years and never again. Decent car, reliable, but I had a 1.6, which ‘apparently’ is too small an engine for the size of car and it had no go in it, fine once it got going, but no zip off the mark.
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Other than the environmental impact the Diesel “apparently” has. It was only 10 years ago they was saying diesel is better for the environment.

If you drive a fair distance a year 12k+ then a diesel will save you a lot of money in fuel, and you will have little problems with the car.
The engines if maintained correctly will last forever.
I went diesel 2 years ago and haven’t regretted it.
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