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Old 12-08-2019, 12:49 PM
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How will we cope with Sheff Utd system?

Wilder is a very strong tactician - and they play with ‘over lapping centre backs’ which overloads the defence, and overcomes traditional organised two banks of four.

May create space for us to counter - but will our makeshift defence and sometimes dodginess at full back get taken to the cleaners?
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We unleash Benteke on them
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Bournemouth matched up with them at the weekend and went 3-5-2 as well. Not sure Roy will stray from his 4-4-2. Will be interesting to see what we do.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:12 PM
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Get ugly 451/433 hybrid

Sit deep and get protection to ward and Pva who will (although Pva especially will be used to it) get overloaded.

Keep wilf and Townsend relatively high up sometimes both wide stretching Utd at the back and sometime close to Big Ben for a long ball and a flick on

—————————Guaita————————
Ward———kelly————Cahill———-Pva
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———McCarthy————McArthur———-
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Townsend———benteke————zaha—


Ugly ugly. McCarthy and McArthur almost zonal going with the extra man that tries to overload the full backs. It’s all about having the engine, tackling and ability to find a quick out ball and they can perfectly (if fit)

Go long to benteke with wilf and Townsend getting the second ball for a foot race. If they pack the middle then get wilf and Townsend away in the channels..

They won’t be committing centre backs for too long when they get hit on the break like that

Ugly ugly. Will suit the two james’s Perfectly as well as the front three who are perfect for long balls or space in the channels

Played right we are probably one of the best equipped teams in the league to counter it. Ugly ugly football though
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Fair play to Wilder for sticking to his overlapping centre backs in the Prem. I’m telling you, the bloke is a managerial genius.

If he does well enough with the Blades in the Prem and Hodgson calls it a day, I’d love him at palace.
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If he does well enough with the Blades in the Prem and Hodgson calls it a day, I’d love him at palace.

Think you may want to see how the season pans out first. You may live to regret that wish.
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Interesting views on their message board. Stop Wilf, by man marking him, and we're done. Completely ignoring our away form and tactics from the last couple of years. Isn't there system very similar to Potter's at the Weeds?
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Interesting views on their message board. Stop Wilf, by man marking him, and we're done. Completely ignoring our away form and tactics from the last couple of years. Isn't there system very similar to Potter's at the Weeds?
Man mark wilf out of the game? They are going to do everything else with the only 2 players they have left?
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Fair play to Wilder for sticking to his overlapping centre backs in the Prem. I’m telling you, the bloke is a managerial genius.

If he does well enough with the Blades in the Prem and Hodgson calls it a day, I’d love him at palace.
When "Hodgson calls it a day"? You mean May 30, 2020?
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Wilder is a very strong tactician - and they play with ‘over lapping centre backs’ which overloads the defence, and overcomes traditional organised two banks of four.

May create space for us to counter - but will our makeshift defence and sometimes dodginess at full back get taken to the cleaners?
Hopefully better than they will with our away sucker punch tactics
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Their tactics will have one of two outcomes. 4-1 either way.
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If he does well, it won’t be Palace he moves to. They are a bigger club than us.
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The trouble is, for all his good points, Roy doesn't seem to be a great one for adjusting his tactics based on who we are playing. We set up how we set up, and we play our game... regardless. Once again - it will remain to be seen if there is a change of tactics and any kind of plan B / fallback plan ready to adopt if we find that things aren't going as we hoped... don't hold your breath.
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If he does well, it won’t be Palace he moves to. They are a bigger club than us.
I know we tend to over state ourselves sometimes but really do you think they are bigger? Interested to understand why?

Barring a couple of short stints in the top flight, they've spent most of the last 40 years in 2nd or 3rd flight but recently spent more down in the third tier.
Averaged 26k attendance last season, same as our capacity.

Genuinely interested in what your criteria is for a bigger club?

I'd say we're at worst level in terms of size, but certainly not smaller.
Regardless unlikely a successful manager from a club their size would come to us if successful as there will be a bigger team looking at him if that situation arose.
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Overlapping centre backs? I should imagine Wilf, Andros and Max will like that.
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Wilder is a very strong tactician - and they play with ‘over lapping centre backs’ which overloads the defence, and overcomes traditional organised two banks of four.

May create space for us to counter - but will our makeshift defence and sometimes dodginess at full back get taken to the cleaners?
Kick the shit out them, that’ll learn em.

Good question but Roy is vastly experienced and I’m sure( praying) we’ll cope.
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Their tactics will have one of two outcomes. 4-1 either way.
Funny, was thinking the exact same score and outcome(s) the other day.
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I know we tend to over state ourselves sometimes but really do you think they are bigger? Interested to understand why?

Barring a couple of short stints in the top flight, they've spent most of the last 40 years in 2nd or 3rd flight but recently spent more down in the third tier.
Averaged 26k attendance last season, same as our capacity.

Genuinely interested in what your criteria is for a bigger club?

I'd say we're at worst level in terms of size, but certainly not smaller.
Regardless unlikely a successful manager from a club their size would come to us if successful as there will be a bigger team looking at him if that situation arose.
We’re a far bigger club than Sheff United in the criteria that’s most relevant: Money and squad quality. Keep in mind that they were in league one only 3 years ago, and it’s not a Bournemouth situation where there’s a billionaire bankrolling them.

Wilder is Sheffield through and through, so if he keeps them up he definitely stays. But say they’re only just relegated and look quite decent on the way, I think we could tempt him here. If Hodgson wants to leave that is, I wouldn’t swap the two as things stand.
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