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Old 29-10-2019, 10:46 AM
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Looks like the official Labour position will be to back an election.

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Old 29-10-2019, 10:49 AM
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We have had some controversial prime ministers in this country, choose your own choice to fit in with your own political views but how anyone with a sense of morality can support Johnson is beyond me.

He might have seen himself as a latter day Churchill but he will be forever known as the liar, a deeply flawed man.
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Old 29-10-2019, 10:59 AM
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Looks like the official Labour position will be to back an election.

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Unsurprisingly, the whole election will hinge on Brexit - if the deal is approved before the election, then I expect the Tories will get a majority. If it isn't approved, then it will be very much up in the air, and whilst they may not get too many (if any seats) the actions of the Brexit party could determine who wins - if they take too many votes away from the Tory party, it could open the door for Labour.

There will surely be an amendment tabled to move the date earlier, which I expect will carry, so it depends if the Tories then pull the bill!
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Going to be some interesting backpedaling from the Corbynites who spent yesterday attacking the LDs.

Still think it's madness. Should be a referendum before an election.
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Still think it's madness. Should be a referendum before an election.
Just no way to get the numbers for that in current parliament. Would need formation of a government for the 9 months or so to get it through.

It's all very far from perfect but I think there are a lot of risks for the Tories here.
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Going to be some interesting backpedaling from the Corbynites who spent yesterday attacking the LDs.

Still think it's madness. Should be a referendum before an election.
Looks like a referendum is much like proportional representation - morally itís the right thing to do but private interest means weíll never get it.
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Unsurprisingly, the whole election will hinge on Brexit - if the deal is approved before the election, then I expect the Tories will get a majority. If it isn't approved, then it will be very much up in the air, and whilst they may not get too many (if any seats) the actions of the Brexit party could determine who wins - if they take too many votes away from the Tory party, it could open the door for Labour.

There will surely be an amendment tabled to move the date earlier, which I expect will carry, so it depends if the Tories then pull the bill!
The Tories will walk it. It won't even be close.
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Corbyn has lost the plot. Given the Tories a certain victory and a mandate with which to push through the brexit they want....

Basically caving in to pressure despite the fact his party will get absolutely slaughtered.

So Corbyn will be out before Xmas. But it will be too late by then.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Boris win a thumping majority and get to have the Brexit of his choosing.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a hung parliament with Corbyn and the SNP working something out to make him PM in exchange for 2nd indy ref and/or PV.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a hung parliament with the LD and SNP being able to put together a government that revokes A50.

It's all up in the air, the most unpredictable election since the 70s I reckon.
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Old 29-10-2019, 11:21 AM
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Most unpredictable election since the last election.

Worst PM in history until the next one.

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Corbyn has lost the plot. Given the Tories a certain victory and a mandate with which to push through the brexit they want....

Basically caving in to pressure despite the fact his party will get absolutely slaughtered.

So Corbyn will be out before Xmas. But it will be too late by then.


Yeh...heard this all before.
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It'll be a Tory landslide.

Sadly a large portion of this country will believe every word coming out of that ***** mouth and live to regret their decision in time.
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It'll be a Tory landslide.



Sadly a large portion of this country will believe every word coming out of that ***** mouth and live to regret their decision in time.


Donít be so sure.
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I'm afraid its just a fact.


May was miles better PM than the nonce-face, that really is saying something.

I think the Labour Party will surprise us again.
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Donít be so sure.
Tory lead over Labour in the polls is very similar to 2017 (which they didn't win but kept the Tories in check and secured Corbyn's job for a while longer) so that's some hope. Only two things I'd worry about is: Johnson's charisma is overatted but even his biggest critic would have to admit it's light years ahead of May's (who was so badly exposed by her lack of personality ran away from debates) and a significant amount of the youthquake will vote LD having given up on trusting Corbyn on Brexit.
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It'll be a Tory landslide.

Sadly a large portion of this country will believe every word coming out of that ***** mouth and live to regret their decision in time.
The poll to pay attention to is the one over the weekend on voting intentions if we hadn't left by Oct 31 - Tory support drops 10 or s points and shifts to the BP....this is going to be a very odd election.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Boris win a thumping majority and get to have the Brexit of his choosing.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a hung parliament with Corbyn and the SNP working something out to make him PM in exchange for 2nd indy ref and/or PV.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a hung parliament with the LD and SNP being able to put together a government that revokes A50.

It's all up in the air, the most unpredictable election since the 70s I reckon.
Thats as i see it too. Really difficult to predict.

The polls suggest that the Tories will get the most votes but you don't win with most votes you win with most seats.

Will the whole of Scotland go SNP? Will leavers in Scotland really vote Tory?

The Lib Dems are likely to make significant gains which would boost the pro-revoke side. Then it comes down to how many seats Labour and the Tories win/lose.

Hard to know which way it will go. If i had to pick now i would say Tories the largest party, no majority, and a majority in Parliament for a 2nd referendum. Given all the promises not to work with other parties no-one able to form a coalition. Battle to see who might be able to form a government that can get the confidence of the house. Very quickly a vote in the house to pass a 2nd referendum. Huge mess but a definitive answer on Brexit at this stage.
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We live in a Tory country.

I'm afraid its just a fact.
I think we live in a relatively centrist country. As soon as Labour moved from the left to a more central position under Smith they became electable and Blair won.

The problem now is that most percieve that Labour have moved back to the left and the Tories have moved to the right. That will help the Lib Dems (along with their unequivocal remain stance) to be the huge winners in this election. Think they will at the very least look like battling the SNP for the 3rd biggest party.
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