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Old 08-02-2020, 11:13 PM
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Squad threadbare so why dont we change formation

Transfer deadline gone , so we have to accept we have a very limited squad . The only option we have to try and get goals out of squad is to change formation ?

4 2 3 1

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Ward Tomkins Cahill PVA
Milivojevic McArthur ( Kouyate / Riedawald )
Townsend Ayew Zaha
Tosun

Ayew works his socks off and would do a role in midfield while running direct at opposition.

Doubt RH will play this way but I feel it would give us more chance of scoring while not being too open.

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It would interesting to see if a '1980s Wimbledon way' would suit us for some or parts of matches.

Get the ball 'in the mixer' for Benteke or Tosun to reach and knock down - with or without Fashanu elbows.
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Would definitely help to get Ayew closer to the front man, whether that's Tosun or Benteke.
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Running direct at the opposition instead of passing is part of our problem going forward. Playing Ayew deep centrally would only exacerbate it IMO. As hard as he works, he is not going to answer our problems of having no penetration.
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Seems Roy doesn’t do change
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Cannot understand why he hasn't tried PVA on the left of midfield and put Jairo back in.

None of our central midfielders are ball carriers, teams know this so double up on our wingers to nullify the threat. RLC was the perfect fit for us and part of why we had such a good run of form at the end of last season.
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Cannot understand why he hasn't tried PVA on the left of midfield and put Jairo back in.

None of our central midfielders are ball carriers, teams know this so double up on our wingers to nullify the threat. RLC was the perfect fit for us and part of why we had such a good run of form at the end of last season.
Jairo is the more technical of the 2 maybe he should be given a chance on the left of midfield.
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There is another option of course and that’s to actually score from set pieces and dead balls. We get plenty of corners and do nothing with them and can’t see any point in getting free kicks we never do anything with them. If we became specialists in these areas who knows what that would bring
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there is no way Roy will play any other formation this season than the current formation he uses, no way.
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Whether its this or some other variation we need to change to a more attacking line up. We need to start a game on the front foot rather than the usual giving the initiative to the opposition.Finally we need ditch the 3 defensive midfielders and just play 2 plus the third more attacking.
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I personally would like a Sheff Utd set up.

They dont have many flair player in midfield and I am sure Townsend can do a job at Right Wing Back. JAiro could come in midfield. too, or Max

Playing 3 defensive midfielder week in wek out and telling Ayew and Zaha to run back all the time clearly isnt working.

Zaha is the best striker we have at the club. End off. Should be a front two of Zaha and Ayew with PVA and Townsend as wing backs.

and work on that for 2 weeks

3-5-2. Clearly thinking outside of Roy's box.
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Cannot understand why he hasn't tried PVA on the left of midfield and put Jairo back in.

None of our central midfielders are ball carriers, teams know this so double up on our wingers to nullify the threat. RLC was the perfect fit for us and part of why we had such a good run of form at the end of last season.
That's cos Jairo clearly hasn't sucked enough D*ck. Disguarded to the bench after being used when no choice through injuries and put in some decent performances, that surely warranted him retaining his place? I bet that's done his confidence the world of good.
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Jairo is the more technical of the 2 maybe he should be given a chance on the left of midfield.
Roy's best team had four narrow midfielders, with the fullbacks providing the width. RLC played the "wide" left role and it worked a treat. Think PVA will always be a more effective attacking force coming from deep behind the lines, Jairo would be better suited to the RLC type role (ball retention, passing and ball carrying)
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When he put Kouyate on for Joel I thought we were going to go 3 at the back, but no.
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How are we doing injury wise now? Do we have any idea of when Sahko, Schlupp and Tomkins will return?
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Because that requires the manager to change things.. which won’t happen
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After hearing RH and pro-RH fans consistently saying that our choices are limited, what we have is what we have, i will throw in some possible alternatives that RH could implement but his stubbornness, his refusal to change the shape & Lewington saying publicly that we set up the same home and away are the real things he could try but won't.

Option 1
4-4-2

Roy has played this formation before but currently conveniently forgetting its existence. What midfield four could he play? (Not included Schlupp as he is currently injured)

Townsend - Luka - Kouyate - PVA
McArthur - Luka - Kouyate - Zaha
McCarthy - Luka - Kouyate - Meyer
Zaha - Luka - Kouyate - PVA
Townsend - McArthur - McCarthy - Zaha
Meyer - McCarthy - Luka - Zaha
McArthur - Luka - Jairo - Zaha
McCarthy - Kouyate - Luka - Jairo
Townsend - Luka - Meyer - Zaha

Quite a few variations/combinations RH could experiment with if he wanted to but chooses not to. Formations allows a Two-up-top which could help the team pose more of an attacking threat (especially at home)

Benteke/Ayew or Tosun/Ayew or Benteke/Zaha or Tosun/Zaha or Ayew/Zaha or Benteke/Tosun

Problem with option 1 (from RH's and many fans' perspective) is that this leaves the team too open in the centre of midfield where we have already been horribly exposed with three.

Option 2
A different three in midfield. Unleash Zaha's creativity.

Midfield CONTINUES to be a troublesome area as there is no pace or creativity in it.

Luka - McArthur - Kouyate has been most popular selection from RH over the season. Only one goal from open play from the three. None of them can be described as "creative" and age is quickly catching up with McArthur as he has the acceleration of a milk-float.
Three defensively minded midfielders, particularly at home, is starting to grate so what could RH change?

Drop McArthur and play McCarthy - Luka - Kouyate. Other than a long range shot away at West Ham, there are questions marks as to where McCarthy is enough of a goal scoring threat but is younger than McArthur and has better mobility. Not a huge change though.

Play a triangle with two defensive midfielders screening the back four and move Zaha into a number 10 "free role"
Luka - Jairo
Zaha

Opposition teams make it very easy to nullify our most attacking threat. They surround him with three players, alienate him on the wing and take turns with alternate fouling. Fan-base is also getting quite frustrated with Zaha always receiving the ball with his back to goal. Palace are at their most dangerous when Zaha has the ball at his feet and is running forwards at defenders as they retreat into the penalty area. Zaha would not be isolated out on the wing and he would have a LOT more influence on our attacking threat in a more creative central position. (I also like the balance of a right foot/left foot combination in midfield and Jairo has much better technique & passing ability than McArthur, McCarthy or Kouyate)

Ayew has said that he favours the number 10 / free role - the club have not found a replacement for Chamakh who did that role brilliantly when club first came up. Some fans like Meyer could also do this role but i would have more faith in Zaha or Ayew being the more potent and influential on top having a the bigger work ethic to put opposition under pressure if required.

Problem with option 2 (from RH's perspective) is that it is far too radical, exciting and dynamic. Could Ayew/Townsend be on the wings? Yes. Can they all interchange during the game? Yes. Chances of him choosing this are ZERO but it is a choice that he could try.

Option 3
3-5-2

If RH is determined to have three in midfield. (whichever combination he selects) could 3 at the back help?

Kelly - Cahill - Dann (with Tomkins and Sakho sidelined)

All our experienced Premier league defenders (which RH values) and i would back Cahill to organise them properly to make sure they didn't get exposed in behind as none have outright pace so maybe Kouyate instead of Dann as arguably CK's centre half display vs bournemouth in particular was very impressive. Biggest issue with this is who are the wing backs in this formation?

PVA could play as a Left wing back fairly easily i would have thought but Townsend at right wing back give FDB flashbacks and Ward probably doesn't have the pace for that role. When Conte moved Moses to a right wing back position at Chelsea, he was a revelation and right wing back is proving to be a position becoming the most important from a creative stand-point. Maybe deep crosses from Townsend in a right wing back position provides the best ammunition for Benteke and whoever plays alongside as we need goals.


Option 4
Cahill as a sweeper?

Back four of Ward - Kelly - Dann - PVA but with Cahill as a sweeper just behind making a back 5. No-one can question Cahill's trophy cabinet or work ethic and (apart from Everton game) he has nous, positional sense and leadership qualities.

If RH is determined to go into games with a must not lose mentality, going back to acquiring clean sheets will help that cause no end. Cahill's ability to read the game could enable the team to get some more clean sheets?

In Keeping with RH's philosophy of keeping a narrow shape, he could have 3 or 4 midfielders in front of that with Ayew/Tosun up top. Maybe keep that for big 6 opponents?

Option 5

Jairo and PVA in the same team?

I was absolutely thrilled for Jairo to win the PoTM award and felt very sorry for him losing his place as soon as PVA was deemed fit enough to play. Given the amount of times PVA gave the ball away versus Everton, didn't shut down Walcott's cross nor is he getting into attacking positions, decision to drop Jairo seemed even more harsh.

Most of the fanbase think that PVA cannot defend anywhere near as well as he can attack. His goalscoring record for us has been decent and most of his goals have been in open play as opposed to being all penalties. Therefore, can Jairo play at Left back with PVA in front of him as a left winger in a midfield 4 or even push PVA into the front three?
Being a traditionalist, i like seeing left footed players on the left and right footed players on the right and i think i am right in saying that the last time a palace winger went past a defender, went to the byline before pinging in a cross was Townsend away at Bournemouth for Benteke to score under Allardyce! I can't remember another more recent time where a palace winger got the byline and put in a cross that created a goal.

PVA could do that and because he wouldn't be distracted by defensive duties he could find himself in some very interesting attacking positions. It would also make an opposing right back not want to attack so much in case of a breakaway leaving them exposed. It would also allow Zaha to be on the right on a front three or in a central / "free" role as previously mentioned. I would also have more faith in Jairo's passing ability to find PVA as opposed to Ward/Kelly/PVA who all seem to have trouble passing to a team mate ten yards in front of them down the wing.

If we were under immense pressure from an opposition side, PVA can always help "double up" on a winger if Jairo is having a rough time

Option 6

Go more direct

As was highlighted so painfully versus Everton, we do not have the talent to "play through" midfield, dominate possession and create threatening goal opportunities. Especially if we are playing Benteke up top, why be afraid to go more direct? Extenuate the positive and hide the negatives. If we can't pass the ball accurately enough (which we can't) bypass them, move the ball 30 yards and utilise Benteke's aerial strengths properly. Tell him to muscle defenders, be a nuisance, challenge every aerial ball and if Ayew or Zaha are close enough to him, we have a chance to win the knock downs/ second balls higher up the pitch. Goal versus Everton came after Benteke won a header, Zaha was able to play a second ball forwards and he scored (thanks to pickford) but it gave a glimpse as to what a threat we could pose opposition teams.

If we are playing Tosun, play the ball in behind for CT to chase and put defenders running towards their own goal under pressure. Away to Man city was a perfect example of a mobile forward player not allowing City to have much time on the ball, his disallowed second goal showed evidence of the pace he has too.

Option 7

Corner kick routines. This floating corner kick that has been at the club like a bad smell for years needs to be disbanded. Puncheon used to deliver decent corners and free kicks (scoring a fair few i might add). Pardew then introduced Cabaye who was a set piece specialist. A set piece specialist who scored zero goals from free kicks and introduced crosses from corners with no pace that more often than not didn't beat the first man.
Luka was then signed and fans could instantly see how good his technique was from dead ball situations. At the start of his tenure, good corners, scored free kicks like away to Bournemouth and looked positive. This has slowly been coached out of him and we are back to floaters that pose no threat at all. PVA has been taking a few corners recently and the same technique is used. (Some games we haven't attacked at all to get a corner but I beg/urge the coaching staff to try something new).

What could be done? Could play a "quick" one? Could play it short? If none of our corners get past the first man, put Cahill on the front post like Andy Thorn for a flick on, if they are to be floaters, surround the keeper so that he can't come and claim it with ease/punch clear unchallenged.

We need more gamesmanship and to be more ruthless in these areas. If the keeper wants it, make it difficult, crowd him out.



Just from a personal point of view - i would also like to see a lot more shooting practice being done. Has anybody watched the pre-game shooting drills at Selhurst? It can be painful watching just how bad we are at shooting. Nobody hits the ball with laces anymore. Make sure the ball hits the net if first priority, all this side foot nonsense so "it looks good on instagram" needs to be stopped.

Option 8
Setting up different formations for Home and Away games

This nonsense quote of Lewington's is so so stupid to say publicly (To view the link you have to Register or Login ) where he says "Without doubt, I think it’s the opposition rather than us: we don’t change. Our system of play is the same home and away, it’s just that the opposition play different when we play them at home with when we play them away"

In this day and age, teams cannot be this rigid. You have to plan for each opponent different as different teams have different strengths/weaknesses. E.g. One may have a rubbish right back so we should focus on letting Zaha rinse him or one has the best creative midfielder in the division so we should man-mark him or double up on a tricky winger. To say that we don't change is ridiculous and that is down to coaching. If you don't change or adapt, other teams work you out very quickly and we have been found out so we need to do something fresh to catch the opponents out. Make them think more about us than us about them.


Just some alternatives that could be implemented but won't be. (& i haven't even mentioned blooding some youngsters to give them minutes and valuable experience as RH doesn't trust or believe in our younger players)
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Excellent behaviour. Some realistic positive solutions offered amongst many mindless 'Roy's doing an amazing job with no backing' vs 'Sack Roy now' posts.

Like you, I assume none of these will be tried (which fuels my personal frustrations with Roy) but at least it adds something new to the same old discussions.
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After hearing RH and pro-RH fans consistently saying that our choices are limited, what we have is what we have, i will throw in some possible alternatives that RH could implement but his stubbornness, his refusal to change the shape & Lewington saying publicly that we set up the same home and away are the real things he could try but won't.

Option 1
4-4-2

Roy has played this formation before but currently conveniently forgetting its existence. What midfield four could he play? (Not included Schlupp as he is currently injured)

Townsend - Luka - Kouyate - PVA
McArthur - Luka - Kouyate - Zaha
McCarthy - Luka - Kouyate - Meyer
Zaha - Luka - Kouyate - PVA
Townsend - McArthur - McCarthy - Zaha
Meyer - McCarthy - Luka - Zaha
McArthur - Luka - Jairo - Zaha
McCarthy - Kouyate - Luka - Jairo
Townsend - Luka - Meyer - Zaha

Quite a few variations/combinations RH could experiment with if he wanted to but chooses not to. Formations allows a Two-up-top which could help the team pose more of an attacking threat (especially at home)

Benteke/Ayew or Tosun/Ayew or Benteke/Zaha or Tosun/Zaha or Ayew/Zaha or Benteke/Tosun

Problem with option 1 (from RH's and many fans' perspective) is that this leaves the team too open in the centre of midfield where we have already been horribly exposed with three.

Option 2
A different three in midfield. Unleash Zaha's creativity.

Midfield CONTINUES to be a troublesome area as there is no pace or creativity in it.

Luka - McArthur - Kouyate has been most popular selection from RH over the season. Only one goal from open play from the three. None of them can be described as "creative" and age is quickly catching up with McArthur as he has the acceleration of a milk-float.
Three defensively minded midfielders, particularly at home, is starting to grate so what could RH change?

Drop McArthur and play McCarthy - Luka - Kouyate. Other than a long range shot away at West Ham, there are questions marks as to where McCarthy is enough of a goal scoring threat but is younger than McArthur and has better mobility. Not a huge change though.

Play a triangle with two defensive midfielders screening the back four and move Zaha into a number 10 "free role"
Luka - Jairo
Zaha

Opposition teams make it very easy to nullify our most attacking threat. They surround him with three players, alienate him on the wing and take turns with alternate fouling. Fan-base is also getting quite frustrated with Zaha always receiving the ball with his back to goal. Palace are at their most dangerous when Zaha has the ball at his feet and is running forwards at defenders as they retreat into the penalty area. Zaha would not be isolated out on the wing and he would have a LOT more influence on our attacking threat in a more creative central position. (I also like the balance of a right foot/left foot combination in midfield and Jairo has much better technique & passing ability than McArthur, McCarthy or Kouyate)

Ayew has said that he favours the number 10 / free role - the club have not found a replacement for Chamakh who did that role brilliantly when club first came up. Some fans like Meyer could also do this role but i would have more faith in Zaha or Ayew being the more potent and influential on top having a the bigger work ethic to put opposition under pressure if required.

Problem with option 2 (from RH's perspective) is that it is far too radical, exciting and dynamic. Could Ayew/Townsend be on the wings? Yes. Can they all interchange during the game? Yes. Chances of him choosing this are ZERO but it is a choice that he could try.

Option 3
3-5-2

If RH is determined to have three in midfield. (whichever combination he selects) could 3 at the back help?

Kelly - Cahill - Dann (with Tomkins and Sakho sidelined)

All our experienced Premier league defenders (which RH values) and i would back Cahill to organise them properly to make sure they didn't get exposed in behind as none have outright pace so maybe Kouyate instead of Dann as arguably CK's centre half display vs bournemouth in particular was very impressive. Biggest issue with this is who are the wing backs in this formation?

PVA could play as a Left wing back fairly easily i would have thought but Townsend at right wing back give FDB flashbacks and Ward probably doesn't have the pace for that role. When Conte moved Moses to a right wing back position at Chelsea, he was a revelation and right wing back is proving to be a position becoming the most important from a creative stand-point. Maybe deep crosses from Townsend in a right wing back position provides the best ammunition for Benteke and whoever plays alongside as we need goals.


Option 4
Cahill as a sweeper?

Back four of Ward - Kelly - Dann - PVA but with Cahill as a sweeper just behind making a back 5. No-one can question Cahill's trophy cabinet or work ethic and (apart from Everton game) he has nous, positional sense and leadership qualities.

If RH is determined to go into games with a must not lose mentality, going back to acquiring clean sheets will help that cause no end. Cahill's ability to read the game could enable the team to get some more clean sheets?

In Keeping with RH's philosophy of keeping a narrow shape, he could have 3 or 4 midfielders in front of that with Ayew/Tosun up top. Maybe keep that for big 6 opponents?

Option 5

Jairo and PVA in the same team?

I was absolutely thrilled for Jairo to win the PoTM award and felt very sorry for him losing his place as soon as PVA was deemed fit enough to play. Given the amount of times PVA gave the ball away versus Everton, didn't shut down Walcott's cross nor is he getting into attacking positions, decision to drop Jairo seemed even more harsh.

Most of the fanbase think that PVA cannot defend anywhere near as well as he can attack. His goalscoring record for us has been decent and most of his goals have been in open play as opposed to being all penalties. Therefore, can Jairo play at Left back with PVA in front of him as a left winger in a midfield 4 or even push PVA into the front three?
Being a traditionalist, i like seeing left footed players on the left and right footed players on the right and i think i am right in saying that the last time a palace winger went past a defender, went to the byline before pinging in a cross was Townsend away at Bournemouth for Benteke to score under Allardyce! I can't remember another more recent time where a palace winger got the byline and put in a cross that created a goal.

PVA could do that and because he wouldn't be distracted by defensive duties he could find himself in some very interesting attacking positions. It would also make an opposing right back not want to attack so much in case of a breakaway leaving them exposed. It would also allow Zaha to be on the right on a front three or in a central / "free" role as previously mentioned. I would also have more faith in Jairo's passing ability to find PVA as opposed to Ward/Kelly/PVA who all seem to have trouble passing to a team mate ten yards in front of them down the wing.

If we were under immense pressure from an opposition side, PVA can always help "double up" on a winger if Jairo is having a rough time

Option 6

Go more direct

As was highlighted so painfully versus Everton, we do not have the talent to "play through" midfield, dominate possession and create threatening goal opportunities. Especially if we are playing Benteke up top, why be afraid to go more direct? Extenuate the positive and hide the negatives. If we can't pass the ball accurately enough (which we can't) bypass them, move the ball 30 yards and utilise Benteke's aerial strengths properly. Tell him to muscle defenders, be a nuisance, challenge every aerial ball and if Ayew or Zaha are close enough to him, we have a chance to win the knock downs/ second balls higher up the pitch. Goal versus Everton came after Benteke won a header, Zaha was able to play a second ball forwards and he scored (thanks to pickford) but it gave a glimpse as to what a threat we could pose opposition teams.

If we are playing Tosun, play the ball in behind for CT to chase and put defenders running towards their own goal under pressure. Away to Man city was a perfect example of a mobile forward player not allowing City to have much time on the ball, his disallowed second goal showed evidence of the pace he has too.

Option 7

Corner kick routines. This floating corner kick that has been at the club like a bad smell for years needs to be disbanded. Puncheon used to deliver decent corners and free kicks (scoring a fair few i might add). Pardew then introduced Cabaye who was a set piece specialist. A set piece specialist who scored zero goals from free kicks and introduced crosses from corners with no pace that more often than not didn't beat the first man.
Luka was then signed and fans could instantly see how good his technique was from dead ball situations. At the start of his tenure, good corners, scored free kicks like away to Bournemouth and looked positive. This has slowly been coached out of him and we are back to floaters that pose no threat at all. PVA has been taking a few corners recently and the same technique is used. (Some games we haven't attacked at all to get a corner but I beg/urge the coaching staff to try something new).

What could be done? Could play a "quick" one? Could play it short? If none of our corners get past the first man, put Cahill on the front post like Andy Thorn for a flick on, if they are to be floaters, surround the keeper so that he can't come and claim it with ease/punch clear unchallenged.

We need more gamesmanship and to be more ruthless in these areas. If the keeper wants it, make it difficult, crowd him out.



Just from a personal point of view - i would also like to see a lot more shooting practice being done. Has anybody watched the pre-game shooting drills at Selhurst? It can be painful watching just how bad we are at shooting. Nobody hits the ball with laces anymore. Make sure the ball hits the net if first priority, all this side foot nonsense so "it looks good on instagram" needs to be stopped.

Option 8
Setting up different formations for Home and Away games

This nonsense quote of Lewington's is so so stupid to say publicly (To view the link you have to Register or Login ) where he says "Without doubt, I think it’s the opposition rather than us: we don’t change. Our system of play is the same home and away, it’s just that the opposition play different when we play them at home with when we play them away"

In this day and age, teams cannot be this rigid. You have to plan for each opponent different as different teams have different strengths/weaknesses. E.g. One may have a rubbish right back so we should focus on letting Zaha rinse him or one has the best creative midfielder in the division so we should man-mark him or double up on a tricky winger. To say that we don't change is ridiculous and that is down to coaching. If you don't change or adapt, other teams work you out very quickly and we have been found out so we need to do something fresh to catch the opponents out. Make them think more about us than us about them.


Just some alternatives that could be implemented but won't be. (& i haven't even mentioned blooding some youngsters to give them minutes and valuable experience as RH doesn't trust or believe in our younger players)
Excellent post. The key to any formation is what position players are asked to go in during different passages of play - most obviously when in or out of possession or when defending a lead or chasing a game.

Personally I’d like to see an ‘on paper’ 442 which has the flexibility to transform to a 433 or 451 as required. If the midfield 4 play very narrow if would actually give us more bodies in the centre and make us less likely to be overrun than having our current three.

On form and leaving out injured players I’d like to see a midfield of

Andros Kouyate McArthur PVA

Defence ideally

Ward Tomkins Sakho Reidewald

Up front

Ayew Zaha

This formation makes it harder for teams to nullify zaha, giving him a free role rather than playing wide on the left by sticking 3 player on him.

It also gives us the ability to counter attack at pace, something we have lost the ability to do well of late, with our quickest, most direct and best carriers of the ball (add schlupp to the list when fit) in attacking positions plus the two midfields most likely to drive forward and/or pick a pass in the centre. Kouyate and McArthur. We could also be fluid in the in game rotation of pva to left back and reidewald to holding midfield.

We need a management team in place that are prepared to be inventive and creative in formation and selection and be both proactive and reactive in their approach to in game changes rather than our current one size fits all approach.

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I wouldn't mind seeing them try a double pivot with Luka and Jairo alongside, with Jairo potentially providing some of the things we miss from Cabaye, allowing Luka to venture forward a bit more from time to time.

Not sure if anybody agrees with this but it seems to me Luka doesn't get forward anywhere near as much as he used too, which isn't great for us because he's got a great engine and long shot. Luka staying really deep all the time doesn't really help us or him for me.

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