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Old 22-03-2020, 08:15 AM
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Practical help and questions for Coronavirus

Thought it might help to have a thread just for practical help and questions around that.

So I have one. My parents have dogs. Any idea how they can take them out safely now parks and other places previously almost empty are filling with people?

Also if you arenít in a vulnerable group and you are both self isolating is it ok to go and see each other if you donít have symptoms if you drive?
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Old 22-03-2020, 08:19 AM
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If you're parents know a place/places more off the beaten path then I can't see why they can't walk the dogs.
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If you're parents know a place/places more off the beaten path then I can't see why they can't walk the dogs.
Will have to talk to them about finding somewhere.

It was relatively ok until the pubs etc shut. Now people are flooding in to spaces that were previously empty.
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Old 22-03-2020, 08:24 AM
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Thought it might help to have a thread just for practical help and questions around that.

So I have one. My parents have dogs. Any idea how they can take them out safely now parks and other places previously almost empty are filling with people?

Also if you aren’t in a vulnerable group and you are both self isolating is it ok to go and see each other if you don’t have symptoms if you drive?
There is still a bit of confusion on self isolation vs social distancing. If you are either self isolating or “family group” isolating, you literally can’t go out of your home other than into your own garden. You need to make other arrangements for dog walking etc.

If you have no reason to self isolate, social distancing means you can go out to parks, nature reserves, around the village/town etc to exercise, walk the dog etc as long as you keep at least 2m from anyone else. And also avoid building up small gatherings etc.

The guidance for the over 70s remains that self isolation is recommended, while the new guidance for the 1.5m in medically vulnerable groups IS now to self isolate.
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Old 22-03-2020, 08:29 AM
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There is still a bit of confusion on self isolation vs social distancing. If you are either self isolating or ďfamily groupĒ isolating, you literally canít go out of your home other than into your own garden. You need to make other arrangements for dog walking etc.

If you have no reason to self isolate, social distancing means you can go out to parks, nature reserves, around the village/town etc to exercise, walk the dog etc as long as you keep at least 2m from anyone else. And also avoid building up small gatherings etc.

The guidance for the over 70s remains that self isolation is recommended, while the new guidance for the 1.5m in medically vulnerable groups IS now to self isolate.
How can arrangements be made for dogs? It would be more risky handing them over to someone else every time they need a walk.
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How can arrangements be made for dogs? It would be more risky handing them over to someone else every time they need a walk.
Itís a very good question - they donít carry the virus seemingly (one early vague report) so if your parents are only isolating due to age/vulnerability maybe a dog walker?
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Old 22-03-2020, 08:40 AM
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If you are not in the old / vulnerable category and you are not disabled, do not book food deliveries for yourselves, and instead leave those spaces to people who actually need them you lazy selfish *****.
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Itís a very good question - they donít carry the virus seemingly (one early vague report) so if your parents are only isolating due to age/vulnerability maybe a dog walker?
I think a dog walker is riskier personally. I just spoke to them and they know a couple of places where if they go early in the day there is no one there, so thatís probably the best option.

I saw a friend last night who like me hadnít gone out anywhere in the last week. In retrospect even thatís not a good idea to do again.
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Old 22-03-2020, 08:43 AM
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If you are not in the old / vulnerable category and you are not disabled, do not book food deliveries for yourselves, and instead leave those spaces to people who actually need them you lazy selfish *****.
Agree with you.

But have to say supermarkets must be one of the riskiest places to go. The poor staff there who have no masks etc
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Agree with you.

But have to say supermarkets must be one of the riskiest places to go. The poor staff there who have no masks etc
Masks donít work.
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Surely they at least reduce the likelihood of infection to some extent if they're the correct type and attached? I'm also surprised more people aren't panic buying goggles and contact lenses (although I suppose contact lenses increase contact in the eye area.
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I don't think that's true. They help a bit if used correctly and are the right masks. If NHS workers are recommended to wear them so should supermarket workers IMO.
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Old 22-03-2020, 10:28 AM
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If you are not in the old / vulnerable category and you are not disabled, do not book food deliveries for yourselves, and instead leave those spaces to people who actually need them you lazy selfish *****.
I think that's going too far. Going to a packed supermarket is not smart when we are supposed to be social distancing as a minimum. If everyone stopped using online shops apart from the vulnerable what do you think the supermarkets would look like then? But I do agree that you should only buy what you need. There is no need to stockpile.
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Thought it might help to have a thread just for practical help and questions around that.

So I have one. My parents have dogs. Any idea how they can take them out safely now parks and other places previously almost empty are filling with people?

Also if you aren’t in a vulnerable group and you are both self isolating is it ok to go and see each other if you don’t have symptoms if you drive?

A) no problem to take the dogs out, just stay min 2m from anyon else.

B) no, you need to break the links. Just because neither of you are showing symptoms you might still have it.
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I think that's going too far. Going to a packed supermarket is not smart when we are supposed to be social distancing as a minimum. If everyone stopped using online shops apart from the vulnerable what do you think the supermarkets would look like then? But I do agree that you should only buy what you need. There is no need to stockpile.
Here’s the issue. The supermarkets do not have the capacity to deal with online shopping for 20m households, and never will. They are far. Ore likely to have capacity for dealing with elderly and vulnerable people.

And yes everyone’s supposed to limit social interactions much as possible, but not as much as vunerable people are.
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Why do dentists and doctors wear them then ? Or are you saying they donít work in respect of the Coronavirus ?
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Why do dentists and doctors wear them then ? Or are you saying they donít work in respect of the Coronavirus ?
If you wear a surgical mask it will largely protect other people from contamination by you. If you get an N95 and wear glasses, it should prevent the likelihood of infection by others by 80%.
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Here’s the issue. The supermarkets do not have the capacity to deal with online shopping for 20m households, and never will. They are far. Ore likely to have capacity for dealing with elderly and vulnerable people.

And yes everyone’s supposed to limit social interactions much as possible, but not as much as vunerable people are.
So we should stop using online shopping and add to the queues in the supermarket and if we don't we are selfish *****? The main issue is how long it takes to restock the shelves which would be made worse if we switch to physical shopping. Why not save some online slots for vulnerable and essential groups?
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If you wear a surgical mask it will largely protect other people from contamination by you. If you get an N95 and wear glasses, it should prevent the likelihood of infection by others by 80%.
Why having supermarket workers been given these then?
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if you are in lockdown...like us in spain...then think what you can do to relieve the boredom ...eg. local government are asking for local people to register for home assembly of surgical masks, and people with sewing skills to help sew long gowns, both of which will help medical staff.

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