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Old 05-03-2021, 09:17 PM
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1% pay rise for Nurses. Another nail in the coffin for the NHS??

As an ex-nurse of the early 80's (soon to return), I have long known that the NHS was never safe in Conservative hands, however a 1% payrise at a time when they have fought gallantly on wards, for long hours and at personal risk to themselves defies belief.

The NHS remains chronically understaffed, 1/3 of nurses want to leave, long fed up at being undervalued so why does the government feel that it would sit pretty with both the nurses, unions and the general public at large.

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Hopefully it is a nail in the coffin for this appalling lying and immoral Tory Government.
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Can anyone shed light on whether or not there can be discriminatory pay increases for certain NHS workers and not others? With employee numbers of around 1.3 million, not all of those staff work on the front line. I'm all for a wage increase for those taking the risks but not necessarily for somebody in management sending them in there and already paid handsomely to do so.
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My daughter is a nurse and plans on leaving the NHS after only 2 years. It's destroyed her. I guess she's one of the 50,000 Boris has 'added'.....

Disgusting government, the Guardian sums it all up.
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I work for the NHS in an admin role. Although I'd obviously like more I'd accept it if my colleagues got more. It's a privilege to work with people who dedicate their lives to the welfare of the general public and its easy to overlook if you don't work alongside them every day. When I hear stories of what our crews have had to face and the personal challenges that brings I have nothing but admiration for them. This past year has been exceptionally trying and challenging for them and a 1% increase is a disgrace. Yes, times are tough and the country is in debt but there are better places to claw this money back from than people who have at best risked their health and in a number of cases with my colleagues have sadly lost their lives. Johnson clapping for the NHS? A disgrace.
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Can anyone shed light on whether or not there can be discriminatory pay increases for certain NHS workers and not others? With employee numbers of around 1.3 million, not all of those staff work on the front line. I'm all for a wage increase for those taking the risks but not necessarily for somebody in management sending them in there and already paid handsomely to do so.
There is a scale system:
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Not sure where doctors fit on the scale, or whetherthey have their own, but yes broadly speaking you could identify certain roles through the grade levels.
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1% increase while Tory Mates get deals worth billions only to have no experience in the field. Should be a scandal but instead: Con +3
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An offer of 1% (or is that the final number) is an insult, even in normal times.

What is the unions involvement in this? Was this negotiated or a "take it or leave it" offer?
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From afar it does seem a kick in the teeth.

It is at odds with all the rhetoric of the last year.

#clap for the NHS has turned into #crapfor the NHS.

It is hard to undersatnd what the government, or chancellor thinking is on this. They must know that many are deeply critical of their overall handling of the pandemic. Do they think they can shaft these workers on a wave of positivity over the vaccine success?

Are they so incompetent/arrogant that they screw themselves over. So meanspirited that now that the beginning of the end of the crisis is over they wish to piss off enough of the new positions they created that the leave, thus making savings.

Again I remember there were a good number of BBSers thinking that the pandemic will need to a softer, kinder Britain (World). That prediction is not looking so hot.

Furlough - keep the people from rioting, protect the economy, get through it. Wealthiest billionaires make more money, the drug companies and supermarkets make more money, friends without experience get huge contracts they fail to complete and get to keep the money without sanction. Small businesses and individuals can go to the wall. Now it is all getting back to normal it is time to realign the ducks.

Someone there should organise a #boo for the government. And in a few months take it to the streets. Won't happen though.
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Not sure where doctors fit on the scale, or whetherthey have their own, but yes broadly speaking you could identify certain roles through the grade levels.
This link has pay bands and example jobs that are within those. For example I know physios from Band 5 up to band 8.
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It's difficult to lump everyone in the NHS together. One nurse friend moved to work in intensive care during both peaks, another friend who works in other areas has been in their words "really quiet" and done much less than normal.
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It's difficult to lump everyone in the NHS together. One nurse friend moved to work in intensive care during both peaks, another friend who works in other areas has been in their words "really quiet" and done much less than normal.
You don't have to lump every NHS worker together. This is only relevant if you are paying each of them the same cash bonus. For a pay rise, a percentage increase is always the way it happens. To try and discriminate because of subjective and/or anecdotal references to "effort" in the course of an employee's duties, is frankly ridiculous.
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13% lead for Boris in the latest poll and 55% think the budget “fair” (presumably they all live in the reasonably well off Tory held towns that got cash handouts).

However, that polling was done before the 1% issue came up, together with various ministers pathetic attempts to claim it was above inflation when the OBR figures showed it wasn’t. One would hope that it starts to get people to realise that yet again there is no “we’re all in this together” when £2m is shelled out on a Boris vanity briefing room and Tory donors queue up to buy him a new coffee machine for his shag pad, and on the flip side, the people who helped to save thousands of lives and became surrogate families to people’s dying relatives who couldn’t see family members, get what is effectively a pay cut in real terms.
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13% lead for Boris in the latest poll and 55% think the budget “fair” (presumably they all live in the reasonably well off Tory held towns that got cash handouts).

However, that polling was done before the 1% issue came up, together with various ministers pathetic attempts to claim it was above inflation when the OBR figures showed it wasn’t. One would hope that it starts to get people to realise that yet again there is no “we’re all in this together” when £2m is shelled out on a Boris vanity briefing room and Tory donors queue up to buy him a new coffee machine for his shag pad, and on the flip side, the people who helped to save thousands of lives and became surrogate families to people’s dying relatives who couldn’t see family members, get what is effectively a pay cut in real terms.
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As to the OP question - no it won’t be a nail in the NHS coffin. The NHS will be here when we’re all long gone.

Certainly could be an issue for the govt though. People have long memories.

Nurses striking ? Seems improbably but not impossible. Imagine that at the moment. Can’t see an agreement not being reached though. If the govt think 1% is justified given what’s happened in the last 12 months, they’ve misread the room somewhat.
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Unfortunately the Great British public are increasingly selfish and uncaring. The “I’m alright Jack” mentality will ensure that enough people vote Tory again next time which will undermine the NHS.

The poll numbers in the face of naked corruption and incompetence bear this out. I worry for the future of the NHS.
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This is a difficult one because over the past 3 years inflation has risen 7.5%, but nurses’ pay has gone up 12% in the same period. All other public sector workers have had pay increases in line with that inflation figure. Prior to that pay increases were frozen.
If the government give nurses a pay increase but not the rest of the public sector, how does that leave them feeling. This is a mighty big can of worms.
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This is a difficult one because over the past 3 years inflation has risen 7.5%, but nurses’ pay has gone up 12% in the same period. All other public sector workers have had pay increases in line with that inflation figure. Prior to that pay increases were frozen.
If the government give nurses a pay increase but not the rest of the public sector, how does that leave them feeling. This is a mighty big can of worms.
This is why, for me, the government should at the very least offer the NHS a one off pandemic payout and an extra weeks holiday.

Then the public (the aforementioned selfish wankers that we are) need to be persuaded that paying front line workers a decent living wage is a priority more important than a low tax economy and reevaluate who and what is important to society.
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