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Old 27-10-2021, 02:42 PM
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Latin American and Caribbean Bonanza

I thought a thread dedicated to the wonderful shitshow that is often this region was well overdue.

There is the joyous stuff among the military coups, corruption, migration, and general shithousery.

I think I will glance over to the referee and kick off towards the Holmesdale by talking about the up and coming Chilean elections - specifically for the Presidency.....
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Old 27-10-2021, 03:34 PM
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I am concerned that Chile seems to have come to some watershed moment.

Of the six or seven candidates in the first run off the two clear leaders are a pseudo communist promising sweeping social change - that he has no hope of delivering, and a staunch nazi inspired pinocheist that might make Bolsonaro look like a puppy dog.

In a country that has seen massive protests for social change, and a right wing President that barely has 15% popular support, it would seem unthinkable that people would vote for a further lurch to the right. However, while the left wing protestors have loud voices, and their anarchist and criminal elements make a lot of noise, they don't represent the silent 80% of upper working class and middle class voters - who will actually back the decisions at the ballot box. The same, to a degree, goes for the political activists on the right.

The issues have been clouded by a demand for a new constitution. And what a shitshow that has been. We have had a series of elections, all seemingly ignoring pandemic protocols when it suits the politicians, and a couple were related to electing people to represent the populace in drafting a new constitution. The Chileans categorically stated they wanted candidates with NO political involvement - thus the politicians put forward and sponsored their own candidates FFS, and then made sure to take up about 95% of the media time to promote those candidates. What we have been left with is a drafting committee of amateur politicians who have used the opportunity to push their own political careers and join the gravy train or independent candidates only interested in their individual battles.

I believe this has led to the country suffering election fatigue, and 90% of people are heartily sick of it all.

The leading two candidates that should be fighting it out in the final run off are Gabriel Boric - formerly one of the university protestors of the penguin movement - now raking in upwards of 15 grand a month as a deputy in the lower house. And Jose Kast, ex Pinochet militant.

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The middle candidates have spent the last month or so slagging each other off, and have knocked themselves out of the race. The formerly highly favoured Sichel has to many fingers in too many financially corrupt pies, and Provoste (or Bachelet Lite) forgot to outline her governmental program in her desire to thow shit at other candidates.

Finally, there is an old communist that nobody cares about, a VIP candidate called Meo that once had a glamour magazine interview where he told they world he was ashamed to be a Chilean, and a fake TV economist who isn't even in the country a month before election day - mainly because he seems to owe 300 grand in alimony payments (plus he has a few sexual misconduct skeletons in his closet).
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Thus, it begs the question. Why would people vote Kast?

I reckon three factors...

First, the middle ground fear another Venezuala, and the older generation remember Allende's years and what followed. Boric is an erudite, well-intentioned young man, but he probably can't deliver on his promises, and he won't be able to control extreme factions.

Second, Pinera got voted in twice on the promise of tackling crime. With the 2nd Bachelet term in between. The reality of crime and the fear and perception of crime in Chile must be at least 4 times worse than it was 12 years back. Voters will see the left as candidates unwilling to deal with crime and violent street protests on historic human rights grounds. They will also see a centre right candidate like Sichel as just another ineffective Pinera on this issue.

Third, immigration. Again this is all about perception. Any unfortunate delve into social media here will show shocking displays of xenophobia. People blame the higher crime rates on immigrants. There is some truth that new crime methods have been imported with a small % of the new intake. It is easier to blame all immigrants for this. The truth is that the vast majority of all crime is committed by young Chileans. The further truth is that in monetary terms, 95% of all crime and corruption happens at political and high end business level here - and the lawyers, courts etc. allow them to continue with impunity - and that in itself gives what seems a valid excuse for the lower class lowlifes to terrorise the rest of us.

In Iquiqui in the north - there were shameful scenes of Chileans burning the possessions of immigrants living on the streets. One video showed a young man walking around singing 'let's go hunting'.
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Pointless voting Sichel, I won't get any classes out of him.

Unless you are saying he was one of your success stories.
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The article is pretty spot on.

I would add that many Chileans are not happy with the problems in the south.

While many favour the idea of original peoples living in wigwams, they abhor those that burn down houses with people sleeping in them. But again, it is all about self interest - the forestry companies destroying native trees for pine vs FARC style local narcos hiding under some kind of Indian rights flag.

Lots of fake news, lots of hidden shite - hard to work out what the truth is.

We all know Pinera has blood on his hands for his own personal profit in any case. I suspect the frmer socialist leaders, too.

The likes of Giordio Jackson and Camila Vallejos - the communist leaders of the student movement who are now parliamentariand - took the holidays shopping and ,iving it up in New York together. Probably had it paid for via a junket.

That's the truth of the matter.

My conscious tells me to vote for Boric, and buckle up for the rollercoaster ride. But getting Sichel as the third candidate in the finl run off should be an aim. But even that would give Boric the victory as it splits the right vote.

I don't like how Sichel received a lot of his funding through industrial fishery. Very Pinera, that.
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Unless you are saying he was one of your success stories.
Yes he was. His command of the mother tongue is now faultless.







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Ooooh. Fantastic.

Did you call him a CANT?



What is he like?
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Ooooh. Fantastic.

Did you call him a CANT?



What is he like?
Actually he's a really nice bloke. Really quite down to earth. We still chat on WhatsApp from time to time.

I was teaching him when he was VP of CORFO and later when he was Minister of Social Development. He went up in my estimation when he used to tell me what a narcissistic twat Piñera was/is. He would go for a weekly meeting with him at La Moneda and his class with me was immediately after, so he was full of insulting gossip.

I have taught English in 3 governmental departments and every office must have a photo of the President up on the wall ... Sichel's office never had one (Piñera), I asked him about it and he said he couldn't deal with having "that idiot" looking down at him all day
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The UK apparently... well 2 of them anyway.
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Mainly Venezuela and Columbia and to a lesser extent Peru and Haiti.
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Mainly Venezuela and Columbia and to a lesser extent Peru and Haiti.
I had a look on YouTube (things you learn) yes you are right, Venezuelans crossing that Atacama desert is no joke, bless them.
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It would be even easier if you refrained from posting on a thread that you either have no interest on comenting on or anything worthwhile to say.

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I had to google him and is currently third in polls
He was at least joint favourite a month back. Provoste, the press, and the established right have done a hatchet job on him.

And the polls might be bought and manipulated by his enemies on the established right. Inasmuchas the media is.
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