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Old 28-10-2021, 04:41 PM
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Wilf and Macca's contracts and possible extensions - what do we do?

With January closing in upon us and with what will be 18 months remaining on Wilf's contract and 6 months on Macca's - what do we do?

Do we offer Wilf large(r) wages and hope he commits again for what will be effectively, the remains of his career? That said, he's 28 now and we'll be essentially chucking large wages at a player that will have very little sell on value. However, whilst he's not always on top of his game, he's still a very important part of who we are and what we represent. Not to mention, always being a major threat.

Now Macca. I don't think anyone could have predicted how Pat coming to the club would have given Macca such a new lease of life. He's been amazing throughout and every game pretty much. But, he's just turned 34, and how long can he keep up the work rate and standards he's set this season.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the near future. What would you do in CPFC's and the player's position?

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I would be tempted to play a bit of hard ball with Wilf, given we have made efforts to change our style of play to one that he seems to enjoy more. I would probably offer him a slight top up on what he is currently on if he would agree to it. But I'd want to know he was actually invested in the project rather than simply just keeping him here against his will. Losing Wilf would hurt but I think we have to avoid going back down the path we went before because we can't really afford massive salaries.

McArthur is definitely worth a year's extension. Anything more than that once you're 33+ is probably a bad idea given how quickly a player can deteriorate at that point. If McArthur is still playing well at the end of next season, we can always offer another 12 months.
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I always thought Macca might go back to Scotland in the latter stages of his career.

However, PV seems to trust him and on that basis can see Palace giving him another year. although players that are offered that tend to prefer at least 2; otherwise I suppose the feeling is that all you're doing is putting off a change for a year.
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I always thought Macca might go back to Scotland in the latter stages of his career.

However, PV seems to trust him and on that basis can see Palace giving him another year. although players that are offered that tend to prefer at least 2; otherwise I suppose the feeling is that all you're doing is putting off a change for a year.
Canít really say too much, but he very nearly moved back this summer and after the last season and a half didnít think he could cut it in the Prem anymore, and bought a place up in Scotland.
But decided to give it one more season.

But donít be surprised if after the season heís had so far he might decide to give it one more season.

I know he has ambitions to do his coaching badges so hopefully we can help him finish them.
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the trouble with Wilf's contract is that he is earning almost double that of any other player at the club is and right now he isn't worth any two of the first team.
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It does make you wonder if the reason Hughes was brought in was a signing looking forward to when Macca leaves us next season. Maybe on the understanding he'll be a very much bit part (or nitto so far) player this season covering injuries and cup games only.
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McArthur is probably in the best form I have ever seen him in. A 2 year deal might seem like a bit of a risk, but if his performance level does drop off in the next 18 months, I'm sure we would be able to sell him to a Scottish club.
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MacArthur - 12 months extension with a vesting option for another 12 months based on EPL minutes played.

Wilf - two more years on the same terms.

No idea if they would accept.
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I'm sure I heard on one of the FYP pods recently that Dom F said that either we should or are deliberating on presenting them with offers. I could have dreamt it though TBF.
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No idea if they would accept.
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the trouble with Wilf's contract is that he is earning almost double that of any other player at the club is and right now he isn't worth any two of the first team.
It’s not what he’s worth compared to what others get paid. It’s what it would cost to replace him (in transfer fees and wages). It’s the same with any contract nearing expiry, and every player’s agent knows this. Wilf might not be as good / effective a player today as he was when he was in his mid twenties, but he’s under two years away from being a free agent and that means he can still command a ton in wages.

I would not normally say extend a player in Wilf’s position as you can easily get stung (see Arsenal and Ozil), and normally I would prefer to spend the cost of extending on fees / wages for a player who had long term potential. But Wilf has a certain talismanic status here, and that has a sort of intangible value.
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As ever, it’s all part of a big jigsaw, with the higher priority getting a new set of back up players. Next summer 2 currently first team regulars are OOC (plus Gallagher of course) - Jimmy and Agnew. But there are also the following back ups OOC..

Tomkins
Kelly
Clyne
Kouyate

If Ferguson comes back as the player the club thinks he is, Clyne is not an issue, but there don’t seem to be any upcoming PL quality CBs coming through.

I’d see getting those squad replacements sorted is as much an issue as sorting Wilf, as he is part of a potentially bigger 2023 puzzle along with..

Butland
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And Benteke coming up.

If Jimmy wants an extra year right now it’s a no brainier.
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I imagine he will have his swansong in Scotland too, but think he has a chance of another year here first
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I'm sure I heard on one of the FYP pods recently that Dom F said that either we should or are deliberating on presenting them with offers. I could have dreamt it though TBF.
So maybe we might be, or maybe we are, or maybe you dreamt it
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Both club legends tbf. Renew both for a year or two, no brainer.
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No idea if they would accept.
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Wilf - two more years on the same terms.

No idea if they would accept.
If they are getting him on a free, Everton or the like, would definitely be offering a 30 year old Wilf a 3 year contract minimum. Even a 30 year old James Mccarthy got a four year contract out of Celtic.
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