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Old 19-01-2022, 06:08 PM
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Ukraine - Putin invades

We have been sending large numbers of anti-tank weapons and training troops ... not sure I want us getting in this without parliament and public opinion noted..
Germany wants the Russian gas so looking after Germany first as always!
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Old 19-01-2022, 06:12 PM
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I would welcome a temporary lifting of the ban on Elgin so he can post on this thread. Would be extremely entertaining
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Old 19-01-2022, 06:14 PM
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I am going to pop over to comrades and see if there is a thread if not will start one
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Merkel’s policy of making Europe even more dependent upon Russia for energy is going to be a disaster. The Nordstream2 pipeline will fund Russia and the stupid decision to close the German nuclear power stations early is pushing up the price.
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We have been sending large numbers of anti-tank weapons and training troops ... not sure I want us getting in this without parliament and public opinion noted..
Germany wants the Russian gas so looking after Germany first as always!
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Old 19-01-2022, 06:16 PM
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I would welcome a temporary lifting of the ban on Elgin so he can post on this thread. Would be extremely entertaining
Id need to persuade Heb and Mik to come back first. You need the full effect to make it worth it, no?
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Id need to persuade Heb and Mik to come back first. You need the full effect to make it worth it, no?

Yup, that would be good

I don't think Mik had that much of a engagement with EE, Heb yes there was plenty (unless I completely missed the ding dong with Mik of course)
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Sounds fair
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I think we are supporting Ukraine up to the absolute limit we can without it being an act of war. I doubt we are prepared to start ww3 for Ukraine though.

We are trying to ensure if Russia know it will be horrifically costly to them if they invade in terms of both losses and economically. Our best bet to avoid war and help Ukraine is make the cost too high for Russia.

The risk of course is escalation. Be it an incident or refusal to back down from the sabre rattling.
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I think we are supporting Ukraine up to the absolute limit we can without it being an act of war. I doubt we are prepared to start ww3 for Ukraine though.

We are trying to ensure if Russia know it will be horrifically costly to them if they invade in terms of both losses and economically. Our best bet to avoid war and help Ukraine is make the cost too high for Russia.

The risk of course is escalation. Be it an incident or refusal to back down from the sabre rattling.
Russia invading Ukraine will be a big deal.
Expect it to set other dominoes in motion.
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Old 19-01-2022, 07:01 PM
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I think we are supporting Ukraine up to the absolute limit we can without it being an act of war. I doubt we are prepared to start ww3 for Ukraine though.

We are trying to ensure if Russia know it will be horrifically costly to them if they invade in terms of both losses and economically. Our best bet to avoid war and help Ukraine is make the cost too high for Russia.

The risk of course is escalation. Be it an incident or refusal to back down from the sabre rattling.
Lets be clear here, we committed to provide security assurances when Ukraine gave up the nuclear missiles in its possession after the fall of the Soviet Union. Were absolutely supposed to help them.

So did the US (and Russia).
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It’s highly likely Ukraine have tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, there’s no chance they sent them all back to Russia - if Russia invade the entire country it will escalate very quickly
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Old 19-01-2022, 08:31 PM
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Its highly likely Ukraine have tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, theres no chance they sent them all back to Russia - if Russia invade the entire country it will escalate very quickly
They wont though will they? They will look to annex certain Russian ethnic areas at the most.
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Merkel’s policy of making Europe even more dependent upon Russia for energy is going to be a disaster. The Nordstream2 pipeline will fund Russia and the stupid decision to close the German nuclear power stations early is pushing up the price.
perhaps the germans are less stupid then you think especially with Merkel gone things are likely to evolve..what with your sneering at everyone...
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perhaps the germans are less stupid then you think especially with Merkel gone things are likely to evolve..what with your sneering at everyone...
I thought you were going to make a post without sneering at someone for a minute.
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It’s highly likely Ukraine have tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, there’s no chance they sent them all back to Russia - if Russia invade the entire country it will escalate very quickly
Are you suggesting they have been hiding them for 25 years, having committed to getting rid of the Soviet weapons, or in secret they developed replacement weapons in total secrecy (and therefore politically useless..)? Sounds a bit unlikely to me.
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Sounds a bit unlikely to me.
You were doing so well up until then.
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Heard on one news item recently that since tension started the Ukranians have have half a million people militarily trained, so would be costly in lives and money if the Russians invade. Wonder if the Poles would like to have a go at giving the Russians a kicking, highly unlikely I know.
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