Listen! Is Paddy McCarthy just our Chairman's Gareth Southgate?

[in-exile]

Listen... Paddy I'm sure is a great Guy but why did he get the manager stand in job twice?
Ray should have stepped in to Boss the team on Saturday for me, he's been here .. there .. every ******* where and done it..
Our Chairman seems to think he's maybe a future Palace manager.. maybe yes but I get the same vibes on this as being similar to Southgate being the FA's yes man Poodle .. bad game management on Saturday and a smashing before from Arsenal.
We have seen nothing to think differently.
What have I missed if he is inline for the Hot seat?

[strawberry mivi]

No

[Catford Eagle]

I also remain to be convinced about Paddy, but I'm not sure he would have had much input on Saturday. All the pre-match stuff was done, and I'm sure Ray led in the dressing room/on the bench. I imagine Paddy was just doing the post-match interview.

[laboxers]

Because we have such a brilliant bench and Roy is well known for making quality strategic subs?

[Harry Holmesdale]

Calm down mate, or is this tongue in cheek?

Roy had to step away, Paddy stepped in and had Roy in his ear

Nothing to worry about here

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by laboxers

Because we have such a brilliant bench and Roy is well known for making quality strategic subs?

fresh legs were needed ... Roy would have seen that earlier I think..

[st albans]

Maybe Ray didn't want to.... Just a thought...

[old geezer]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Listen... Paddy I'm sure is a great Guy but why did he get the manager stand in job twice?
Ray should have stepped in to Boss the team on Saturday for me, he's been here .. there .. every ******* where and done it..
Our Chairman seems to think he's maybe a future Palace manager.. maybe yes but I get the same vibes on this as being similar to Southgate being the FA's yes man Poodle .. bad game management on Saturday and a smashing before from Arsenal.
We have seen nothing to think differently.
What have I missed if he is inline for the Hot seat?

Conspiracy theory?

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by Harry Holmesdale

Calm down mate, or is this tongue in cheek?

Roy had to step away, Paddy stepped in and had Roy in his ear

Nothing to worry about here

Other than him being in waiting of the top job ... we have seen nothing to have confidence in him..

[Norwich_Eagle]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Listen... Paddy I'm sure is a great Guy but why did he get the manager stand in job twice?
Ray should have stepped in to Boss the team on Saturday for me, he's been here .. there every ******* where and done it..
Our Chairman seems to think he's maybe a future Palace manager.. maybe yes but I get the same vibes on this as being similar to Southgate being the FA's yes man Poodle .. bad game management on Saturday and a smashing before from Arsenal.
We have seen nothing to think differently.
What have I missed if he is inline for the Hot seat?

What would you think that Ray would have done that Paddy didn't? Given that Ray was on the bench and would have been given instructions to Paddy as well in the same way that Roy would have done?

The work is done on the training pitch and Roy would have been there for that?

We get absolutely suckerpunched by a fantastic goal from Durán - a penalty that arguably should have been over-turned and then a third that is what it is basically.

The lack of options on the bench changed that game, we were missing Guehi, we were missing Lerma both of whom would have been better options than Richards and Hughes. Then we lose Ayew, while Mateta does fantastically for the Edouard goal over the course of the game Ayew would have offered more on the right-hand side.

It is fine to say that Paddy lacks this, lacks that etc. but ultimately we were going up against an Aston Villa side who are the third best team in the league this calendar year behind Arsenal and Manchester City and he was in charge for the Arsenal game who were at the time on a 5 game winning run having scored 15 in the process.

I do not understand what you think Ray would have done that Paddy didn't as the alternative?

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by old geezer

Conspiracy theory?

He's too young to have shot JFK but might be a lizard ... maybe .... Is there a planet where Listen opens every sentence?

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by Catford Eagle

I also remain to be convinced about Paddy, but I'm not sure he would have had much input on Saturday. All the pre-match stuff was done, and I'm sure Ray led in the dressing room/on the bench. I imagine Paddy was just doing the post-match interview.

Think Paddy was in charge of everything at the game.

As you say te pre match stuff was all done, tactics were all done, the team selection would have been Roys (although not many options anyway). He had Ray with him for support so what did he do?

Well from what i have seen and heard we were poor in the first half (not uncommon) and much better after he had got them in at half time and had a chance to talk and maybe change a few little bits - better second half.

He had to make an enforced change - chose Mateta for Ayew, was that a mistake? He could have put JRS or Ahamada on.

Interested to know why people thought it was poor game management. We were seeing out as 1-0 win and but for a really good piece of skill when Duran turned and unleashed an unstoppable shot we probably would have got it. After that the final result is down to poor decisions by a shocking ref.

What could/should Paddy have done differently?

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by Norwich_Eagle

What would you think that Ray would have done that Paddy didn't? Given that Ray was on the bench and would have been given instructions to Paddy as well in the same way that Roy would have done?

The work is done on the training pitch and Roy would have been there for that?

We get absolutely suckerpunched by a fantastic goal from Durán - a penalty that arguably should have been over-turned and then a third that is what it is basically.

The lack of options on the bench changed that game, we were missing Guehi, we were missing Lerma both of whom would have been better options than Richards and Hughes. Then we lose Ayew, while Mateta does fantastically for the Edouard goal over the course of the game Ayew would have offered more on the right-hand side.

It is fine to say that Paddy lacks this, lacks that etc. but ultimately we were going up against an Aston Villa side who are the third best team in the league this calendar year behind Arsenal and Manchester City and he was in charge for the Arsenal game who were at the time on a 5 game winning run having scored 15 in the process.

I do not understand what you think Ray would have done that Paddy didn't as the alternative?

Its more about why is he our Manager material..I don't see it!

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by GreatGonzo

Think Paddy was in charge of everything at the game.

As you say te pre match stuff was all done, tactics were all done, the team selection would have been Roys (although not many options anyway). He had Ray with him for support so what did he do?

Well from what i have seen and heard we were poor in the first half (not uncommon) and much better after he had got them in at half time and had a chance to talk and maybe change a few little bits - better second half.

He had to make an enforced change - chose Mateta for Ayew, was that a mistake? He could have put JRS or Ahamada on.

Interested to know why people thought it was poor game management. We were seeing out as 1-0 win and but for a really good piece of skill when Duran turned and unleashed an unstoppable shot we probably would have got it. After that the final result is down to poor decisions by a shocking ref.

What could/should Paddy have done differently?

Jeff cannot run much ... or at all after about 60 minutes...BTW we let Yohan go from our hands for the same reason even though he was twenty times the player fat Jeff is ..... so fresh legs on is what Paddy should have done ..

[Norwich_Eagle]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Its more about why is he our Manager material..I don't see it!

Because we don't get to see it?

Why was Vieira the Manager? Why was De Boer the Manager? Why is anyone a Manager? It will either work or it won't.

If Roy, Dougie, Parish and everyone else at the club think that he has got the attributes then fine by me. They are the ones that see and work with him day in and day out, we don't.

[Norwich_Eagle]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Jeff cannot run much ... or at all after about 60 minutes...BTW we let Yohan go from our hands for the same reason even though he was twenty times the player fat Jeff is ..... so fresh legs on us what Paddy should have done ..

Give it a rest. In that one part of your statement you are turning a perfectly reasonable conversation and debate into an absolute shower and its not necessarily.

You can question whether he has the legs for 90 minutes I get that but putting it like that just makes you foolish.

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by Norwich_Eagle

Because we don't get to see it?

Why was Vieira the Manager? Why was De Boer the Manager? Why is anyone a Manager? It will either work or it won't.

If Roy, Dougie, Parish and everyone else at the club think that he has got the attributes then fine by me. They are the ones that see and work with him day in and day out, we don't.

Parish had to be forced to sack Pardew so its not going to be your blind faith from me...

[in-exile]

Originally Posted by Norwich_Eagle

Because we don't get to see it?

Why was Vieira the Manager? Why was De Boer the Manager? Why is anyone a Manager? It will either work or it won't.

If Roy, Dougie, Parish and everyone else at the club think that he has got the attributes then fine by me. They are the ones that see and work with him day in and day out, we don't.

He has a muffin top or did when walking pass the lower after being Subbed for not being able to run in the last home game ... a PL player on thousands a week!

[GreatGonzo]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Jeff cannot run much ... or at all after about 60 minutes...BTW we let Yohan go from our hands for the same reason even though he was twenty times the player fat Jeff is ..... so fresh legs on us what Paddy should have done ..

So.....

What would you have done?

Lets look back at what Roy might have done.

Wolves
71 minutes, 1-1 Roy takes off Schlupp and brings on Mateta
90 minutes, 3-1 Roy takes of Edouard and brings on Hughes, and we concede a goal

Sheffield Utd
90+2 Tomkins for Guehi when we are defending a 1 goal lead

So on both previous occasions we have been protecting a lead Roy has not made changes, has not brought on fresh legs but you are criticising Paddy for the same?

The injuries to Lerms and Guehi had a massive impact on teh options we had.

[Harry Holmesdale]

Originally Posted by in-exile

Other than him being in waiting of the top job ... we have seen nothing to be confidence in him..

Paddy Mac will not be the Palace manager next season